gbaji wrote:
Kachi wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Kachi's belief that attending and/or graduating from college is a determinant of intelligence disproves itself.
See, it's the incredibly poor reading comprehension that you continually exhibit that makes me doubt that you could pull it off. Intelligence is a determinant of college attendance/graduation, not the other way around.
And your inability to understand logical directionality is astounding, doubly so for someone making such claims about other's intelligence and education. Apparently in all your vast learning at college, you never learned that A->B != B->A.
What you said originally:
Kachi wrote:
Occasionally, after listening to someone speak long enough, it occurs to me that there's no way they could have, or at least should have given their powers of reason, actually graduated from a real college (haven't been wrong yet, but still working on it!).
That statement clearly claims that education is a determinant of (or at least requirement for) intelligence. Yet, when supporting that claim, you reversed the logic.
That's you failing btw. In order to defend the statement you made, you must prove that it's impossible for a person to graduate from college and still be stupid. Good luck with that.
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This is a fact by the way, so argue til you're blue in the face for all I care.
Lol... /whoosh
Edited, Mar 11th 2011 2:49pm by gbaji Incredible. Does everyone see this? Please take notes. I claim that A->B. gbaji claims that I say, B->A. I correct gbaji. He mocks that I never learned that A->B =! B->A
This is EXACTLY the kind of thing that makes me doubt your reading comprehension, or even your ability to reason. The statement, which you say, "clearly claims that education is a determinant of intelligence," says no such thing. What is says is that there is a determination, both a causative and correlative element-- that you need a certain amount of A to get B. It does not say that nobody with low A doesn't get B. It does not say that only people with B have A, or even a great deal of A. It doesn't say that you can't have tons of A and no B. It says that some people have too little A to get B.
And it's things like this that make me suspect that you might not have enough A to get B.
Allegory wrote:
idiggory wrote:
But all degrees aren't created equal. Going to college and graduating with an engineering degree (assuming the school isn't a joke) is certainly a sign of intelligence.
No, it isn't, and largely because school curricula are a joke. The problem is that programs can easily train students to perform without a fundamental understanding of what they are doing. A calculus student who understands series should be able to tell you if a series is divergent or convergent simply by looking at it--unless the the answer is highly obfuscated. If he/she has to perform a test to determine convergence, then they don't understand what they are doing, they have merely been trained to follow a procedure to produce the answer. They will be unable to work outside of an environment where this procedure is all that is required. Pretty much anyone can be trained.
Training, however, is sufficient to be successful at life. Stupid people go to college. Stupid people get As in college. Stupid people are successful at life. When you stop overvaluing intelligence, you can start applying it as a tool correctly.
If you think that all undergrad curricula are a joke, then you're either a genius, or more likely, are speaking from limited experience with school curricula, underestimating challenges that you've never endured. While it's in vogue, I'll throw out the words Dunning-Kruger (which I'm pretty sure you're intimately familiar with).
Also, I think I was unintentionally rude to you earlier, so I apologize. I generally agree with you and like what you have to say; I just happen to disagree with your perceptions here.
Uglysasquatch wrote:
You're missing the argument here. Kachi's statement is that in order to attend college, you have to be smart. You don't need A's in order to pass college and gain an undergrad. Stop thinking about this from excelling and just getting a degree. Passing college and getting an undergrad is a joke. Excelling and getting all A's is another story.
That is not my argument or statement. My statement is simply that intelligence is a determinant of college attendance and graduation. The less intelligent you are, the less likely you will be successful in college, at some point (and not the point of mental retardation, either) leaving a very low probability of success. This still leaves plenty of room for success for people of average and even below average intelligence (particularly as undergraduate, but not post-grad, admission and graduation requirements lax). This is a statistically proven fact, not really up for debate.