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False. You've only demonstrated that graduating college is a sign of high intelligence. The really utterly stupid still don't get into/graduate college (assuming a 4 year school).

Of course, you need to be REALLY dumb for that to be an unachievable goal, assuming you don't have serious medical/financial reasons holding you back.

But those people do exist. Just look at varus.

Reading is fun, kids. Like I said, I don't really judge any of you because I know at least some of you are just ******* around.



To the degree that your argument acknowledges prior effort is an important factor of aptitude, I would agree. However, it's a mistake to discount the role of intelligence. Aptitude is a product of effort, intelligence, and education, among other things. By definition, the more intelligent you are, the less effort required, and arguably, a willingness to work hard is a kind of intelligence as well. Having a completely average IQ is sufficient to complete a bachelors in most programs, but the average IQ of a college graduate is a significant bit above average. Roughly 20% of the population is unintelligent enough that they would have a very difficult time graduating college regardless of money or effort. Sometimes those people are pretty easy to identify, is all I'm saying.



See, it's the incredibly poor reading comprehension that you continually exhibit that makes me doubt that you could pull it off. Intelligence is a determinant of college attendance/graduation, not the other way around.

This is a fact by the way, so argue til you're blue in the face for all I care.



Interesting proposition, but it would require me to actually care about your approval. I guess the question is going to be whether you care enough to find the rare instance where I actually make a fraction of an effort. It's not to any extent in my best interest to prove you wrong anyway. I come here for amusement, and to have at least a few antagonists is entirely desirable. If I just wanted my *** kissed, there are both personal behaviors and communities much more conducive to that.

Besides that, I somewhat doubt a content analysis software application's efficacy to determine IQ/ability placement, particularly considering the samples you're using. I'm admittedly unfamiliar with it, but you've aroused my curiosity.

What a transparent liar you are.

Disingenuous, I guess I should say. But fine, even giving you the benefit of the doubt, the answer is still no, because your solicitation was ********* It doesn't really matter if it was honest ********* I guess.

Sorry, I'm being a little overly abrasive and not very clear:

The reasons you offered do not appeal to me. In fact, there is little that could motivate me to take you up on your offer. I produce exceptional work from time to time in spite of sheer laziness/indifference rather than as a result of sincere effort. You would have to legitimately inspire me to respond rather than manufacture agreeable conditions.

Taking it to an extreme, if you only gave people with experience a job instead of people with just qualifications then you'll run out of people to employ eventually when they all retire.

On the flip side other than jobs that basically require a certain qualifications just to apply, all my degree seems to be useful for was to get a higher starting salary in my first job. I've only been there a total of 5 months and I've learnt more on the job than I did at the 4 years at university. Granted I did a placement year and felt I learnt more there than I did an university anyway.

But if nobody hired unless you had experience, then where do those without any start off?

Also a question I've always wondered, is American (or any other place following the same setup) College the equivalent to University in the UK / Europe(?)

(Primary School ages 5-11 => secondary school 12-16 => college / 6th form 17-18 => Uni (varies but for me who took 2 years out 20 => 24). Those were the ages I finished each school year)

It gets lumped together in the states I believe. In Canada we have both colleges and universities, but everyone just says college, unless they are specifically talking about their school then it depends. Typically College feeds into a university just like in the UK. You get a college diploma, then go get your doctorate or w/e from university.

From my understanding, universities are made up of colleges.

I see, I noticed your quote originally, it just came off slightly different to me. At my university, I believed it was the "College of Arts of Sciences". I hate how art is with science, but oh well.. I think I do remember some departments being referred to as "schools" instead of colleges, but I'm not sure on the difference other than terminology.

Actually, I think he was only talking about what a special snowflake he was

Well that must be a failure on canada. Even then I doubt your scenario. I went to a no name school and met some very smart people and even though they made A's, they worked for it. If the nonsense you stated were true, everyone would have EE, bio-chemistry, Physics, etc. Degrees. The bottom line is that if you aren't challenged in undergraduate school then either your program suck, you're a genius and or you chose an easy program.

What are you even trying to argue? That someone going to/graduating from a college isn't a sign of high intelligence?

Yes, I'd agree.

But all degrees aren't created equal. Going to college and graduating with an engineering degree (assuming the school isn't a joke) is certainly a sign of intelligence.

Hard work is enough for some programs. It is not enough for all.