Almalieque wrote:
I get your point, but my entire argument is that people put in the amount of effort that they THINK will pass them, which ends up actually failing them.
Then they amount of effort they think is enough, isn't actually enough. I'm not sure how that's at all startling, or even worthy of debate.
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So, if a person spends what they think as, excessive amounts of effort to pass a class, but then fails, is it because they didn't put in the amount of effort or because they just failed?
Unless they are just mentally incapable of passing the class, then somewhat by definition they didn't put in enough effort.
Put another way: If there is some amount of effort they could have put in which would have allowed them to pass the class, but they didn't pass the class, then they didn't put in enough effort. Again, this is somewhat axiomatic. The phrase "enough effort" is by definition the amount needed by that person to pass that class.
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For example, I hate running and in the Army we have to run. If I push my body to the limit and still do not meet the required time, you can't say that I didn't try hard enough, I did, I just failed.
Yes. But the equivalent in terms of taking a class assumes someone who is simply not smart enough to pass the class no matter how much effort he puts in. As I've said before, that's incredibly incredibly rare. I'll also point out that in the running in the Army case, it's not just a single case of a timed run. The "effort" involves running regularly as part of your physical training so that you can pass the timed test. And just as most students who fail the final exam for a class do so because they didn't spend enough time in class, or doing the assignments, or studying, the guys who fail to pass the PT tests in the military tend to do so because they didn't push themselves sufficiently while training for the tests.
And in both cases, there are very very few people who simply lack the base physical or mental ability to succeed *if* they put in the effort required. That guy in the army can focus on diet and exercise and push himself and pass the test. That kid in college can make sure to attend all the lectures, and do all the homework, and complete all the assignments, and read all the textbooks, and study and practices the course material until he can pass the test. It is incredibly rare for someone to fail such things if they truly put in as much effort as possible.
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What you are seeing, which is correct, is that instead of failing out of college, people usually just keep changing majors until they find one that's "right for them". This can be mutually exclusive to interest. I actually love to study Physics, but I always perform poorly, then I lose interest.
I'm not going into that much detail at all. In general, there's an amount of effort and work required to complete the required curriculum and obtain a college degree. What exactly that is doesn't really matter. What the specific path a given student follows to get to the end point doesn't really matter either. It's about the fact that they found a way to get it done that matters. Employers tend to like employees who can find ways to get things done.
I think you're over thinking this.