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#1 Mar 04 2011 at 6:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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http://www.suntimes.com/4099633-417/northwestern-university-defends-after-class-live-sex-demonstration.html

More than 100 Northwestern University students watched as a naked 25-year-old woman was penetrated by a sex toy wielded by her fiancee during an after-class session of the school’s popular “Human Sexuality” class.

Ummm, ok. Unsure of the value of a live demonstration in this case. Sounds ridiculous.



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#2 Mar 04 2011 at 6:33 AM Rating: Good
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I'd watch it.
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#3 Mar 04 2011 at 6:34 AM Rating: Good
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Would have been a much more useful demonstration if it were used after history classes. At least then the students would have a reason to stay awake.
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#4 Mar 04 2011 at 7:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Huh. Well. Er...

I don't really know if they did anything wrong, but I can't imagine the public response will be nearly as positive as the response by 100 students who knowingly stayed to watch this happen during an optional lecture on fetishes.

I can't really think of what would be "wrong," besides offending people who were not there. I personally wouldn't have, but that would be due to knowing my SO would be upset, not because I personally think it's wrong.

Edited, Mar 4th 2011 8:11am by LockeColeMA
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On the radio the other day, the hosts were saying that the primary issue with this wouldn't be among the students (who were probably calling their friends and telling them to come down) but among the parents who are paying $45,000 a year for their kid to go to Northwestern.

"I'm paying forty-five thousand for you to see WHAT??"
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#6 Mar 04 2011 at 7:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Also seems that the principal has opened an investigation, reversing their previous stance of it being a good thing:
Wednesday wrote:
Schapiro’s statement Thursday reversed a statement the university issued Wednesday where they defended their faculty as “at the leading edge of their respective disciplines.”

“The university supports the efforts of its faculty to further the advancement of knowledge,” Wednesday’s statement said.

Thursday wrote:
“Many members of the Northwestern community are disturbed by what took place on our campus,” his statement said. “So am I.”

#7 Mar 04 2011 at 7:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:

"I'm paying forty-five thousand for you to see WHAT??"


Which seems kinda silly, really. I mean, the course is human sexuality, the subject of the particular lecture was fetishism, and the post-lecture presentation was optional. I dunno, seems like parents didn't really think much through at all if they are just objecting now Smiley: lol

It seems like they also played a video depicting BDSM before the live demonstration, but there wasn't an outcry against that Smiley: tongue
#8 Mar 04 2011 at 7:47 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
On the radio the other day, the hosts were saying that the primary issue with this wouldn't be among the students (who were probably calling their friends and telling them to come down) but among the parents who are paying $45,000 a year for their kid to go to Northwestern.

"I'm paying forty-five thousand for you to see WHAT??"


I gather that the...uh..."performance" occured during an optional, after-class Q & A on S & M (or QASM, as it's commonly referred to as). Perhaps that makes it technically outside of what tuition pays for.

Though if my kid was taking a class on BDSM in college, I suspect i'd be wondering if I was wasting my money, anyway.
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Which seems kinda silly, really.

Sure. Now get a job as school administrator and explain to people paying $45k that they're "silly" for caring.
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Jophiel wrote:

"I'm paying forty-five thousand for you to see WHAT??"
This is just what I was thinking. I also wonder if there was any age verification as there are 17 year olds in college.

I could go feminist as ask why the male partner didn't publicize his wieny to demonstrate how to have sex.
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#11 Mar 04 2011 at 8:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
Which seems kinda silly, really.

Sure. Now get a job as school administrator and explain to people paying $45k that they're "silly" for caring.


I didn't mean their caring was silly, I mean that they only care when outrage **** (lulz) makes it to the news. The parents wouldn't have known nor cared up until this point. It's like the grandmother who buys grand theft auto for their kids and then is outraged that there's a hidden sex scene. Except the kids in this case are (presumably) adults.
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This is just what I was thinking. I also wonder if there was any age verification as there are 17 year olds in college.

I could go feminist as ask why the male partner didn't publicize his wieny to demonstrate how to have sex.

The age was an idea for me too, but since it hasn't been discussed yet I'm guessing it's not a factor (would have been posted all over the articles, I'd think).

As for the second, if the woman's fetish was voyeurism, why would the man get naked unless it was his as well? Neither of them had to do this - they were asked and she agreed. If he didn't want to, or it didn't work for him, he would be under no obligation to do so.
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Elinda wrote:
I could go feminist as ask why the male partner didn't publicize his wieny to demonstrate how to have sex.


Maybe the woman is an exhibitionist. And that was part of her Fetish demonstration? And judging by the picture given, I don't think anyone wanted to see him naked.
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LockeColeMA wrote:
It's like the grandmother who buys grand theft auto for their kids and then is outraged that there's a hidden sex scene.


WHAT??!

I'M OUTRAGED!
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Elinda wrote:
I could go feminist as ask why the male partner didn't publicize his wieny to demonstrate how to have sex.


Maybe the woman is an exhibitionist. And that was part of her Fetish demonstration? And judging by the picture given, I don't think anyone wanted to see him naked.


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Faith said she was not coerced in any way and students were repeatedly warned it was going to get graphic.

“One of the students asked what my specific fetish was and mine is being in front of people, having the attention and being used,” she said. “The students seemed really intrigued.”
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WHAT??!

I'M OUTRAGED!

Eat your applesauce, Grandma.
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#16 Mar 04 2011 at 9:03 AM Rating: Good
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I think in general our society is a bit too prudish and freaks out too much over sex stuff in general. I'm just not sure that the time is quite yet ripe for demonstrative sex education in our institutes of 'higher learning'...even as an intramural activity.
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Elinda wrote:
I could go feminist as ask why the male partner didn't publicize his wieny to demonstrate how to have sex.


Maybe the woman is an exhibitionist. And that was part of her Fetish demonstration? And judging by the picture given, I don't think anyone wanted to see him naked.
So the obvious answer is the guy would have obstructed the view.
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#18 Mar 04 2011 at 9:36 AM Rating: Excellent
I have zero moral objections to this, but seriously, did it really warrant a live demonstration? We have the internet after all. If you want to see kinky shit all you need to do is go look.
#19 Mar 04 2011 at 3:27 PM Rating: Decent
Meh, why go to class for it? That stuff happenes all the time at Parties and Frats all the time in college.
#20 Mar 04 2011 at 4:30 PM Rating: Decent
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optional lecture on fetishes
Jesus fucking christ, that's what passes as a fetish? How banal.

Otherwise, really don't care.

Edited, Mar 4th 2011 4:31pm by bsphil
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#21 Mar 04 2011 at 5:22 PM Rating: Good
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Looks like it was intended as a more standard fetish presentation that turned into a less typical scenario.

Usually this stuff is reserved for private parties and conventions for legal and other reasons, and a large part of the issue is that prior notification wasn't done. If they had located this at any of the normal venues, and followed the standard protocol, it would have been significantly easier to protect from public flak via consent waivers, etc.

I've got no problem with the actual content, only the procedural issues.
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#22 Mar 06 2011 at 10:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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I see zero issue with it whatsoever. It's not like it was a course required for graduation or even a required part of the course itself. People in this country need to get over the obsession with sex being a ******* mystery until you happen upon what does it for you and hopefully don't hurt yourself or someone else in the process. We also need to get over the idea that somehow, college admission makes you less of an adult than someone who enters the workforce after high school...these were not children in this class...odds are, 95% have had sex, seen ****, and had at least some idea of what BDSM is and were mostly just being educated in the variety of options and how someone gets into the scene in the first place if they're interest.

*sigh* Send your kids to BYU if you want to keep them in the dark as long as possible. In your spare time, seek psychiatric help.

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#23 Mar 06 2011 at 3:52 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
On the radio the other day, the hosts were saying that the primary issue with this wouldn't be among the students (who were probably calling their friends and telling them to come down) but among the parents who are paying $45,000 a year for their kid to go to Northwestern.

"I'm paying forty-five thousand for you to see WHAT??"


To learn how Home Depot is really a sex toy store...
#24 Mar 06 2011 at 10:41 PM Rating: Good
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My only problem with it is that the dude looks like a skeezy Axl Rose wannabe, and that they seem like they were more interested in fulfuilling one of their fantasies than actually educating. Based on my cursory reading, of course.

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Playing pure devils advocate here, but:

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I see zero issue with it whatsoever. It's not like it was a course required for graduation or even a required part of the course itself.


So since it was a choice the students had, knowing full well the consequences either way, and with other alternative choices available, it's perfectly acceptable. I agree.



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*sigh* Send your kids to BYU if you want to keep them in the dark as long as possible. In your spare time, seek psychiatric help.


Interesting double standard. Didn't the student also make a choice to attend a school with a strict honor code, knowing full well the consequences, and with other alternative choices available to him?


Is your approval really based on the ability of the people involved to make an informed choice, as you claimed? Or is it based on something else entirely?


Oh. And while I have no dog in this hunt at all, the article doesn't say what part of the honor code he violated. While I'm sure he did admit to having premarital sex, that doesn't mean that's the reason he got kicked off the team. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that there's more to it than that.
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Oh. And while I have no dog in this hunt at all, the article doesn't say what part of the honor code he violated. While I'm sure he did admit to having premarital sex, that doesn't mean that's the reason he got kicked off the team. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that there's more to it than that.
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