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#227 Mar 01 2011 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
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By the way, even given all of your CRA claims, kudos to the Republicans for completely ignoring the repeal of that amendment when they had full control of congress and the white house. Must have just forgot, right?

When was that, just out of curiosity?
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By the way, even given all of your CRA claims, kudos to the Republicans for completely ignoring the repeal of that amendment when they had full control of congress and the white house. Must have just forgot, right?

When was that, just out of curiosity?
2003-2006. The 2006 midterm gave both the senate and the house majority to the Democrats starting the session of 2007.
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By the way, even given all of your CRA claims, kudos to the Republicans for completely ignoring the repeal of that amendment when they had full control of congress and the white house. Must have just forgot, right?

The stock reply here is that the Republicans were just terrified that the Democrats might say mean thing about them. Terrified!! Far too terrified to take any action in the face of those mean, mean words...
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By the way, even given all of your CRA claims, kudos to the Republicans for completely ignoring the repeal of that amendment when they had full control of congress and the white house. Must have just forgot, right?

When was that, just out of curiosity?
2003-2006. The 2006 midterm gave both the senate and the house majority to the Democrats starting the session of 2007.

So you're referring to those years when they still had to make concessions to the Democrats to avoid filibusters, thus making total control a bit of a stretch?
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By the way, even given all of your CRA claims, kudos to the Republicans for completely ignoring the repeal of that amendment when they had full control of congress and the white house. Must have just forgot, right?
When was that, just out of curiosity?
2003-2006. The 2006 midterm gave both the senate and the house majority to the Democrats starting the session of 2007.
So you're referring to those years when they still had to make concessions to the Democrats to avoid filibusters, thus making total control a bit of a stretch?
Democrats didn't do it to nearly the extent that Republicans did in 2008-2009, and we still got a ton done in 2008-2009. Guess Republicans from 2003-2006 were just weak when it came to that.
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Democrats didn't do it to nearly the extent that Republicans did in 2008-2009, and we still got a ton done in 2008-2009. Guess Republicans from 2003-2006 were just weak when it came to that.

It didn't get nightly news coverage nearly as much in '03-'06, but it was certainly there to the same extent. The news was too busy covering the march of gas to $4.00 (odd that I don't get a nightly 2 minute segment now, eh?) and the Cindy Sheehan protests in Crawford to make the stories much of a headline.
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(odd that I don't get a nightly 2 minute segment now, eh?)

Do you just not watch the news? Oil prices have been a constant story.
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(odd that I don't get a nightly 2 minute segment now, eh?)

Do you just not watch the news? Oil prices have been a constant story.

I should clarify - last time around the local CBS tool did a 1 or 2 minute stand-up every night blaming it on the President. Now it conveniently focuses on other problems.
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#236 Mar 01 2011 at 11:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe if Obama had more connections to the oil industry...
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#237 Mar 01 2011 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
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Maybe if Obama had more connections to the oil industry...

Or if his policies were doing more to prevent oil & gas production...
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Or if his policies were doing more to prevent oil & gas production...

I... umm... what?

The only major change in US oil production was the temporary ban in the Gulf which started way back in April 2010 and was lifted in Oct 2010. You'll notice the recent jump is more... recent? Speaking of, I heard this morning that they just issued a new deepwater drilling permit.

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#239 Mar 01 2011 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
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Or if his policies were doing more to prevent oil & gas production...

I... umm... what?

Kind of the point. They're both immaterial to the President's direct impact on the price of Gasoline, yet Bush was eviscerated over it.
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yet Bush was eviscerated over it.

Bush was taken to task over his close ties with the industry (and Cheney's as well for that matter). Comparing that situation to Obama's is... well, do you like analogies about emptying the ocean? Because that's where you're going with this.
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yet Bush was eviscerated over it.

Bush was taken to task over his close ties with the industry (and Cheney's as well for that matter). Comparing that situation to Obama's is... well, do you like analogies about emptying the ocean? Because that's where you're going with this.

He had as much to do with the price of oil as he did with steroid use in baseball. Why isn't he demonized for Barry Bonds?
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Why isn't he demonized for Barry Bonds?

I'm okay with demonizing Bush for Barry Bonds. Don't let it be said that I refuse to meet you half way.
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Why isn't he demonized for Barry Bonds?

I'm okay with demonizing Bush for Barry Bonds. Don't let it be said that I refuse to meet you half way.

I lol'd
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#245 Mar 01 2011 at 1:37 PM Rating: Decent
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we still got a ton done in 2008-2009


LMAO...good one.
I know, wasn't it?

Though, if you want to claim that little had been done, that goes against your narrative of the massive changes in congress the right has been hysterical about stopping. So which way do you want it?

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bsphil wrote:
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By the way, even given all of your CRA claims, kudos to the Republicans for completely ignoring the repeal of that amendment when they had full control of congress and the white house. Must have just forgot, right?

When was that, just out of curiosity?
2003-2006. The 2006 midterm gave both the senate and the house majority to the Democrats starting the session of 2007.

So you're referring to those years when they still had to make concessions to the Democrats to avoid filibusters, thus making total control a bit of a stretch?


Seems fair. Democrats get blamed for it under the same circumstances all the time.
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bsphil wrote:
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bsphil wrote:
By the way, even given all of your CRA claims, kudos to the Republicans for completely ignoring the repeal of that amendment when they had full control of congress and the white house. Must have just forgot, right?

When was that, just out of curiosity?
2003-2006. The 2006 midterm gave both the senate and the house majority to the Democrats starting the session of 2007.


Wait! So Republicans wanted to reform the process to prevent a future crisis (back in 2003 btw), and the Democrats blocked them. But it's the Republican's fault for not fighting against the Democrats hard enough?

You're kidding, right? That's got to be the weakest defense ever.
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#248 Mar 01 2011 at 9:12 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
bsphil wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
bsphil wrote:
By the way, even given all of your CRA claims, kudos to the Republicans for completely ignoring the repeal of that amendment when they had full control of congress and the white house. Must have just forgot, right?

When was that, just out of curiosity?
2003-2006. The 2006 midterm gave both the senate and the house majority to the Democrats starting the session of 2007.


Wait! So Republicans wanted to reform the process to prevent a future crisis (back in 2003 btw), and the Democrats blocked them. But it's the Republican's fault for not fighting against the Democrats hard enough?

You're kidding, right? That's got to be the weakest defense ever.
It all still doesn't matter anyway, as you've admitted, the bubble would have occurred without the CRA amendment.
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#249 Mar 02 2011 at 11:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Fun new side development: A new bill has started circulating the WI legislature that would ban prank calls. Providing a false phone number and pretending to be someone you're not would be subject to between a $1,000 and $10,000 fine. Of course, government and law enforcement agencies would be exempt from the bill. Even more amusing is how the Republican state legislatures deny that it is at all related to the prank call Walker received where he admitted never wanting to actually negotiate with senate Dems or that he'd consider planting troublemakers into the protests to delegitimize them.

I suppose rather than coming clean and apologizing, the pubs would rather make laws to prevent it from happening again. So much for smaller government. Stay classy, WI Republicans.
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#250 Mar 02 2011 at 7:04 PM Rating: Default
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bsphil wrote:
gbaji wrote:
bsphil wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
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By the way, even given all of your CRA claims, kudos to the Republicans for completely ignoring the repeal of that amendment when they had full control of congress and the white house. Must have just forgot, right?

When was that, just out of curiosity?
2003-2006. The 2006 midterm gave both the senate and the house majority to the Democrats starting the session of 2007.


Wait! So Republicans wanted to reform the process to prevent a future crisis (back in 2003 btw), and the Democrats blocked them. But it's the Republican's fault for not fighting against the Democrats hard enough?

You're kidding, right? That's got to be the weakest defense ever.
It all still doesn't matter anyway, as you've admitted, the bubble would have occurred without the CRA amendment.



No. I said it's theoretically possible that it could have happened anyway. In the same way that it's theoretically possible that hundreds of thousands of Christians might have decided to up and leave Europe and march to the Holy Land in order to push the Muslim hordes out of Jerusalem if Pope Urban hadn't announced that whole Crusade thing. But history still manages to put the blame on ol Urban anyway, doesn't it?

I mean, it's possible that drunk driver might have swerved into another car's lane causing a crash even if he hadn't been drunk. But we still blame the crash on the fact that the guy was drunk, right?

In this case, that amendment created the conditions which tilted the market towards large financial companies investing in those bundled mortgage securities. We can only speculate about how much investment might have occurred without that tilting, but we can safely assume it would have been less than what did occur with it.

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All the above junk aside, things are getting progressively more interesting in Wisconsin. Every state senator valid for recall has had petitions written up against them (8 GOP, 8 Dem) and will likely face recall this summer. Walker's approval has sharply dropped, especially among independents as has that of the WI GOP. Every poll, including those from Republican polling firms shows strong support for the unions and disapproval for Walker & his crew (45% "Strong disapproval" according the the GOP poll).

While it's unlikely that a recall would occur before the union thing is settled, this could seriously disrupt GOP redistricting efforts if the Democrats retook the senate via recalls.
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