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#102 Feb 27 2011 at 9:44 AM Rating: Default
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Seriously Jophiel, did you lean anything in school?

Well, I learned how to spell and how to ask questions that people could understand. Does that count? Not really because you still cannot understand what you read. I could Dumb down the questions to your level then?

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The Democrats have only once given incentives to help business and it was the Kennedy administration that did it.

Maybe you should have continued your education past grade school? Yes it's something but nothing for business. Study harder

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If you help businesses? It helps everyone.

Well, that's simplistic. Suitable for someone who blames the price of orange juice solely on the economic recovery, though. Again i had to dumb it down for you. Try reading the economics sometimes its more than you understand But I'm hoping for you to smarten up a bit.

#103 Feb 27 2011 at 11:07 AM Rating: Good
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Tailmon wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Tailmon wrote:
Seriously Jophiel, did you lean anything in school?

Well, I learned how to spell and how to ask questions that people could understand. Does that count? Not really because you still cannot understand what you read. I could Dumb down the questions to your level then?

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The Democrats have only once given incentives to help business and it was the Kennedy administration that did it.

Maybe you should have continued your education past grade school? Yes it's something but nothing for business. Study harder

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If you help businesses? It helps everyone.

Well, that's simplistic. Suitable for someone who blames the price of orange juice solely on the economic recovery, though. Again i had to dumb it down for you. Try reading the economics sometimes its more than you understand But I'm hoping for you to smarten up a bit.



Are you blind? This is a serious question and would explain so much.
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#104 Feb 27 2011 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Tailmon wrote:
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Maybe you should have continued your education past grade school?
Yes it's something but nothing for business. Study harder.
In all honesty, I'm just going to flat out tell you right now that you didn't read that link. You should really do that before responding.
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#105 Feb 27 2011 at 3:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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#106 Feb 28 2011 at 1:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Obviously they call it the Small Businesses Jobs Act because Barack Hussein Obama wants to make businesses smaller and gubment bigger.
#107 Feb 28 2011 at 6:29 AM Rating: Good
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Tailmon wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Tailmon wrote:
Seriously Jophiel, did you lean anything in school?

Well, I learned how to spell and how to ask questions that people could understand. Does that count? Not really because you still cannot understand what you read. I could Dumb down the questions to your level then?

Quote:
The Democrats have only once given incentives to help business and it was the Kennedy administration that did it.

Maybe you should have continued your education past grade school? Yes it's something but nothing for business. Study harder

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If you help businesses? It helps everyone.

Well, that's simplistic. Suitable for someone who blames the price of orange juice solely on the economic recovery, though. Again i had to dumb it down for you. Try reading the economics sometimes its more than you understand But I'm hoping for you to smarten up a bit.



Are you blind? This is a serious question and would explain so much.


Tailmon may or may not see what you did there.

P.S. TLW, what's the name of that book where they advocate governments set things up so people are more likely to make good decisions? This is entirely tangential, I just happened to think of it early today.
#108 Feb 28 2011 at 8:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Not really because you still cannot understand what you read. I could Dumb down the questions to your level then?

This isn't helping your case.
Tailmon originally wrote:
When we had good times we had to thank the people that supported Businesses. Can anyone name the one time that Democrats actually did that?

(A) This quote is saying that, during good economic times, people had to thank the other people who supported businesses. And can anyone name a time when Democrats (not a Democratic president or Congresscritter... just "Democrats") thanked the people who supported the other people who were engaged in business.
(B) Apparently by "thank", you meant "Give tax breaks to"
(C) Apparently by "the people that supported business" you meant "the businesses themselves"
(D) Apparently by "Democrats", you meant "Presidents from the Democratic party"
(E) Despite B through D, you still had the answer wrong.

...yeah.
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#109REDACTED, Posted: Feb 28 2011 at 8:24 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#110 Feb 28 2011 at 8:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Is this where you try and convince us that economic growth of 2% is a good thing

Really? You don't think a 5.4% swing is a good thing? Huh.
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with unrest in the Middle East and North Africa lifting the price of oil

You should probably read, if not the entire article, at least the parts you quote to try to score points.
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#111REDACTED, Posted: Feb 28 2011 at 8:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#112 Feb 28 2011 at 8:50 AM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
Jophed,

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with unrest in the Middle East and North Africa lifting the price of oil


And believe it or not Obama's soft stance on radical islam is the ME is the cause of this.

I pick 'not'.
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#113REDACTED, Posted: Feb 28 2011 at 9:18 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Elinda,
#114 Feb 28 2011 at 9:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Obama single-handedly sparked a wave of pro-democracy movements throughout the Middle East and North Africa?

He's history's greatest hero!
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#115REDACTED, Posted: Feb 28 2011 at 9:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
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Yeah, but you've said previously that all Islam is radical so, since these were Islamic nations anyway, "tomato", "tomahto".
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#117 Feb 28 2011 at 9:31 AM Rating: Good
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But this will be democratic radical Islam, not puppet radical Islam.
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#118 Feb 28 2011 at 9:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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But this will be democratic radical Islam, not puppet radical Islam.


Kinda like Hamas's democratic win in elections in Israel, right? The US loves democracy in the ME! Smiley: lol
#119 Feb 28 2011 at 9:58 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda,

These muslims now know they can run wild without worrying about US involvement.

Efforts to tame and domesticate were an utter failure.
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#121 Feb 28 2011 at 11:05 AM Rating: Good
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Tailmon wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Tailmon wrote:
Seriously Jophiel, did you lean anything in school?

Well, I learned how to spell and how to ask questions that people could understand. Does that count? Not really because you still cannot understand what you read. I could Dumb down the questions to your level then?

Quote:
The Democrats have only once given incentives to help business and it was the Kennedy administration that did it.

Maybe you should have continued your education past grade school? Yes it's something but nothing for business. Study harder

Quote:
If you help businesses? It helps everyone.

Well, that's simplistic. Suitable for someone who blames the price of orange juice solely on the economic recovery, though. Again i had to dumb it down for you. Try reading the economics sometimes its more than you understand But I'm hoping for you to smarten up a bit.



Are you blind? This is a serious question and would explain so much.


Tailmon may or may not see what you did there.

P.S. TLW, what's the name of that book where they advocate governments set things up so people are more likely to make good decisions? This is entirely tangential, I just happened to think of it early today.


Nudge.

Also, that is the goal of most governments, Different government structures just have different valuations of what good decisions are.
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#122 Feb 28 2011 at 12:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
The US loves stability in the ME.
LOL
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#123 Feb 28 2011 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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Elinda,

These muslims now know they can run wild without worrying about US involvement.

Efforts to tame and domesticate were an utter failure.

That's the best justification ever for just "sanctioning" the entire place and getting what we need for free.
#124 Feb 28 2011 at 1:32 PM Rating: Decent
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varusword75 wrote:
What matters is we are in fact seeing the results of Obama's stance on radical islam in the ME.
Interesting to hear that you're crediting the revolt of Egypt, Libya, and so on to Obama. What an amazing president! Hell I didn't think he had much to do with it, but if even you'd admit that...


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These muslims now know they can run wild without worrying about US involvement.
Oh, so you're anti-revolt and pro-establishment. Why do you support Gaddafi, known to be involved with state-sanctioned terrorism? Don't tell me you're really sympathizing with terrorists? This once again begs the question that seems to be coming up an awful lot about you (that you suspiciously never address either)...

Why do you hate America and freedom so much?



Edited, Feb 28th 2011 1:34pm by bsphil
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#125 Feb 28 2011 at 3:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Obama single-handedly sparked a wave of pro-democracy movements throughout the Middle East and North Africa?


Jokes aside, one of the things that does bother me about the coverage of all the unrest going on in the ME is how the media constantly labels the various protests and revolts as "democracy in action". Um... It's not. Popular uprisings have been happening for pretty much the entirety of human civic history, and very very very very rarely do they ever have anything to do with democracy, much less result in a democratic form of government. Yet the democracy label is tossed around anyway.

The easiest thing to do in politics is to get people to join you in opposition to something they all don't like. The hardest thing to do in politics is to get people to join you in support of something they all do like. That's why negative politics tends to work. You can usually get many times more people to agree that they don't like something about your opponent than you can get to agree that they do like about you. Everyone does this to some degree in politics, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't still ask the question "what replaces the thing we all agree we don't like?".

In the real world, we don't ever make just the decision *not* to do something. We really choose to do something else. We should look to see if those opposing something are presenting an alternative that is "better". Because when we don't, there will be an alternative, but we wont know what it is until it arrives, and most often it wont be something we would have chosen if we'd been presented with it in the first place.


Having said all that, I would love for these protests to lead to actual democratic systems being put in place. And unlike some Conservative pundits, I don't have a problem if those systems include groups like Hamas, Hezbolla, the Muslim Brotherhood, etc for the same reasons I mentioned above. It's easy to gain power by always and only focusing people's anger at other targets. It's easy for someone standing on the sidelines to get people to join them railing against "the man". But when they have to step up and take some of the responsibility, it wont be so easy. The only way people can break free of the grip of those groups is to see what they'd do if they had power. Painful? Almost certainly. But until the people living in those areas see what their true options are, they'll never reject the more radical ideas that sound great from a guy standing on a street corner, but don't work out so well when they come from the guy who's failing to provide food, shelter, and clean drinking water to the people.

Um. But that's exactly why such popular revolts so often lead to even more oppressive regimes than the ones they overthrew. The new leaders wont want to be judged like the old, so they clamp down more on anyone who might oppose them as they opposed the last guy. And since they know how that works, they're often far better at preventing any opposition.

We'll see what happens though. I just wouldn't automatically assume that real democracy will result from any of this.
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#126 Mar 01 2011 at 2:37 AM Rating: Good
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Jokes aside, one of the things that does bother me about the coverage of all the unrest going on in the ME is how the media constantly labels the various protests and revolts as "democracy in action". Um... It's not. Popular uprisings have been happening for pretty much the entirety of human civic history, and very very very very rarely do they ever have anything to do with democracy, much less result in a democratic form of government. Yet the democracy label is tossed around anyway.


Yeah, they should have another one in four years.
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