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#1 Feb 12 2011 at 3:44 AM Rating: Good
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Former US defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld said in an interview Monday the world was better off without Saddam Hussein but conceded his troop decisions in the Iraq war may have been wrong.

In his first television interview since leaving public life in December 2006 after a long and divisive tenure at the Pentagon, Rumsfeld also ripped into some of George W. Bush's closest advisers, saying Condoleezza Rice lacked experience and Colin Powell showed poor management skills.

The television appearance is part of Rumsfeld's effort to promote his new memoir, "Known Unkown," which is due to be released Tuesday and which recounts his career in government spanning Republican presidents from Richard Nixon to George W. Bush.

The ex-defense chief was reluctant to endorse his former boss's assessment that the decision to draw down US troops shortly after the 2003 invasion of Iraq was "the most important failure in the execution of the war."

"I don't have enough confidence to say that that's right. I think that it's possible," Rumsfeld told ABC News anchor Diane Sawyer.

"We had (an) enormous number of troops ready to go in. They had -- we had off-ramps, if they weren't needed.

"It's hard to know... You know, the path you didn't take is always smoother," he said.

Rumsfeld, who served as Bush's defense chief for six years after holding the the same job under president Gerald Ford in the 1970s, acknowledged that "in a war, many things cost lives."

But he had no regrets about his leadership for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan -- the latter now nearing its 10th anniversary.

"I think the world's a better place with Saddam Hussein gone and with the Taliban gone and the Al-Qaeda out of Afghanistan," Rumsfeld said, insisting the Bush administration made only an "incremental" move toward invading Iraq in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States.

Rumsfeld said it was not him but rather Paul Wolfowitz, the then deputy secretary of defense who became known as a major architect of the Iraq war, who raised Iraq at a the presidential retreat at Camp David shortly after 9/11.

Just as in his book, Rumsfeld offered some frank judgements in the interview about longtime rivals and critics.

Asked whether he admired his ex-boss's father president George H.W. Bush -- under whom he did not serve -- Rumsfeld replied curtly: "No, I was kind of disappointed in him."

Rice, who served as Bush's national security adviser before later becoming secretary of state had "never served in a senior administration position," a lack of experience that hampered her ability to organize critical meetings, Rumsfeld said.

He said Powell -- Bush's first top diplomat -- "did not, in my view, do a good job of managing the people under him," calling leaks out of the State Department "unhelpful."

Rumsfeld said Powell, along with other top Bush advisers and officials, truly believed Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction when he made a presentation to the UN Security Council in February 2003 -- and never spoke up during meetings with the president to raise objections about the war.

"There's a lot of stuff (in) the press that says Colin Powell was against it. But I never saw even the slightest hint of that," he said.


Ah yes, the "I didn't make any mistakes" defense...works everytime.

I like this line myself:

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Rumsfeld also ripped into some of George W. Bush's closest advisers, saying Condoleezza Rice lacked experience and Colin Powell showed poor management skills.


Rumy wants to sell his book.
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#2 Feb 14 2011 at 7:07 AM Rating: Good
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Meh, I disliked Rumsfield for a LOT of reasons. Remind me again, has he always had a lot of investments in weapons, in oil, or in both?
#3REDACTED, Posted: Feb 14 2011 at 8:02 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Aripya,
#4 Feb 14 2011 at 9:27 AM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
Aripya,

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Remind me again, has he always had a lot of investments in weapons, in oil, or in both?


Not nearly as much as the Gores.



Lemme 'splain this to you. See, even if Gore were heavily invested in the defense and oil industries, he was never out there fomenting war. So any accusations of doing so to cause his stocks to rise would be inaccurate and laughable. I realize that you just don't fUcking understand this ****, so I'm here to help.


Also, you're an idiot.
#5REDACTED, Posted: Feb 14 2011 at 9:43 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Deathy,
#6 Feb 14 2011 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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I like this line myself:

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Rumsfeld also ripped into some of George W. Bush's closest advisers, saying Condoleezza Rice lacked experience and Colin Powell showed poor management skills.


Rumy wants to sell his book.
This is meaningless without direct quotes from the man.
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#7 Feb 14 2011 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
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he was never out there fomenting war


Neither was Rumsfeld.


Are you this stupid intentionally or just unfortunately? As I understand it you come from a state with a lot of inbreeding so if you are just mentally deficient due to your dad diddling your sister then it is really understandable why you would assert this position.
#8REDACTED, Posted: Feb 14 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) dinky,
#9 Feb 14 2011 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Am I the liberal you are referencing?
#10 Feb 14 2011 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good
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Am I the liberal you are referencing?
If you're not hardcore in his court, you're a liberal. Damned be you if you think otherwise.
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#11REDACTED, Posted: Feb 14 2011 at 12:34 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ugly,
#12 Feb 14 2011 at 12:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
Ugly,

Actually liberal and idiot are synonymous.
That must make you a liberal.
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#13REDACTED, Posted: Feb 14 2011 at 12:55 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ugly,
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varusword75 wrote:
Ugly,

You being the resident expert and all.
I don't know about expert, but yea, I'm pretty good at figuring out who is and who isn't an idiot.
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#15REDACTED, Posted: Feb 14 2011 at 1:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ugly,
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I'm pretty good at figuring out who is and who isn't an idiot.


I'm sure; takes one to know one.

Yea, I figure out who's not one and by default, know who is. You're not in the "not list", sorry.
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#17 Feb 14 2011 at 1:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sounds like an elementary school playground in here.
#18 Feb 14 2011 at 1:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sounds like an elementary school playground in here.


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#19 Feb 14 2011 at 1:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Iamadam the Malefic wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
Sounds like an elementary school playground in here.


Bard is hoping someone's gonna pee in his hair.
I don't do ws.

But I will show you mine if you show me yours.
#20 Feb 14 2011 at 2:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
Deathy,

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he was never out there fomenting war


Neither was Rumsfeld.


Actually, he was. It took me all of 14 seconds on wikipedia to find one example. There are thousands of others. But honestly, this is old news. Very, very old news. You just refuse to accept anything, no matter how factual or well-documented, that doesn't coincide with what your puppet-masters are spouting.

At 2:40 p.m. in the afternoon of September 11, Rumsfeld was issuing rapid orders to his aides to look for evidence of Iraqi involvement, according to notes taken by senior policy official Stephen Cambone. "Best info fast. Judge whether good enough hit S.H." — meaning Saddam Hussein — "at same time. Not only UBL" (Osama bin Laden), Cambone's notes quoted Rumsfeld as saying. "Need to move swiftly — Near term target needs — go massive — sweep it all up. Things related and not."


Also, you're an idiot.
#21REDACTED, Posted: Feb 14 2011 at 2:38 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Deathy,
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Bardalicious wrote:
Iamadam the Malefic wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
Sounds like an elementary school playground in here.


Bard is hoping someone's gonna pee in his hair.
I don't do ws.

But I will show you mine if you show me yours.
On topic: did your elementary school have those trough urinals in the boy's room? I remember thinking those were weird even as a child. Plus the ******* kids used to try and pee across them at the people on the other side.
#23 Feb 14 2011 at 2:44 PM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
Wikipedia is an extremely radical leftist site.
Smiley: dubious

AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
did your elementary school have those trough urinals in the boy's room? I remember thinking those were weird even as a child. Plus the @#%^ kids used to try and pee across them at the people on the other side.
Naw, we had luxurious, personal urinals.
#24 Feb 14 2011 at 4:48 PM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
Deathy,

You know you just pasted 3 sentences of sh*t right?

Oh and for future reference Wikipedia is an extremely radical leftist site.



Issuing "rapid orders" and commenting on the militaries need to "move swiftly" does not mean he's a war monger. Sorry if you don't get that but well you're a f*cking idiot.



Trying to pin the blame for 9/11 on an innocent nation, mere hours after the buildings came down, when all available intelligence pointed elsewhere IS warmongering. Especially since he'd been advocating the overthrow of Hussein for years prior.

Those three sentences are from the notes of Stephen Cambone, who was, at the time Special Assistant to the Secretary of Defense or Deputy Secretary of Defense.. i.e. Rumsfeld's *****. If you have an issue with their content, take it up with him.


Oops, almost forgot.


Also, you're an idiot.

Edited, Feb 14th 2011 5:49pm by Deathwysh
#25 Feb 14 2011 at 5:27 PM Rating: Good
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Trying to pin the blame for 9/11 on an innocent nation, mere hours after the buildings came down, when all available intelligence pointed elsewhere IS warmongering.


To be fair its not just Rumsfeld who is/was a warmongering *******. Bombs and missiles marked 'Made in the USA' are still raining down on the Afghanis 10 years later and Rumsfeld hasn't been in charge of anything more than a ride on lawnmower for some time now.

And still no-one is able to ask why 9/11 happened (as oppposed to 'how') without that idiotic assertation that its because they 'hate our freedoms'.


Varus is an idiot for sure. But he's not the only one.
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they 'hate our freedoms'.

Our freedoms.

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