Sigh. Don't know why I bother, but I'll try again:
Almalieque wrote:
Well, like I tell everyone else who pulls that same stunt, you're just using a cop out because you don't want to contradict your claim.
No. We "pull that stunt" because you have an amazing ability to completely misunderstand what other people are saying, then twist that misunderstanding around and respond with something that has nothing at all to do with the original topic, and then jump up and down and complain when people don't want to argue with you about something they never said and don't really care about anyway.
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You responded to my "family is your race" comment with the interpretation as "your race is your family" which is an incredibly stupid interpretation.
Because you used the argument that helping out your "friends and family" isn't racism as support for your earlier statement that members of a racial group should help out members of their own racial group.
I sometimes use a debating method where if I see someone use a fallacious argument, I will disprove that argument by first assuming that it is true and then showing that it leads us to an absurd or impossible conclusion. Most of the time people get what I'm doing. Occasionally, someone (like you) will miss that I'm testing their own argument and think that I'm actually arguing for the absurd conclusion. In this case, I took your argument that since helping friends and family isn't racist, then helping out members of your own racial group isn't racist and disproved it by showing that if it's "true", then all members of our own racial group must also be friends and family. Since that is clearly false, then the argument must be false as well.
Get it?
I am not arguing that all members of your race are also "friends and family". What I am doing is showing you that your argument assumes that this must be true, and since it's clearly not true, your argument must be wrong.
Get it?
Do you have even the slightest understanding of logic and critical thinking?
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You're only responding to comments that you think you can counter.
No. I'm only responding to comments that have some vague relevance to the point that I was making in the first place. I never said anything about people choosing to buy products that are aimed at their racial group. I never said anything about people choosing to help out their friends and family. I did say that buying products from a store because the store is owned and operated by someone of your own race is racism. And I did say that helping people out solely because they are of the same race as you is racism.
You keep tossing random words in, but they have nothing to do with what I'm saying.
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I see the problem with your understanding, but I can't help you understand if you refuse to participate.
Participate in what? Your own delusional ramblings? I'm not going to participate in that. If you want to stick to actually debating relevant points, I'll participate. But when you just start spewing what appear to be completely random points, and then insist that if I don't debate those points with you, I'm somehow avoiding some critically important thing, I'm going to just ignore it.
Stick to the point. You said that it was not racism for members of an ethnic minority to help out other members of their own minority group purely because they were both members of the same group. That is what I disagree with you about. If you can debate that, I'll participate. But I fail to see how arguing that it's not racism to help out your friends and family in any way affects or supports the statement you originally made and to which I originally disagreed.
Don't just read the words. Understand what they say.
Edited, Feb 25th 2011 6:07pm by gbaji