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#802 Apr 10 2011 at 3:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you feel so confident about your belief of me being "stupid", then give me examples.

Why? Because I'm stupid enough to think that the right example will get you to say "Man, you're right..." so I should waste time harvesting examples for you to shoot down and say "Doesn't count! Doesn't count!! That one doesn't count either!!"? When the entire point here is that you steadfastly refuse to admit to any such problems with your "style"?

Sorry, champ. Nothing in it for me. Reread the major threads and you'll find dozens of examples of people pointing out errors. And dozens of examples of "Doesn't count! Doesn't count!!". Which actually goes to prove my point twice for me :)

Edited, Apr 10th 2011 4:16pm by Jophiel
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#803 Apr 10 2011 at 3:29 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
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If you feel so confident about your belief of me being "stupid", then give me examples.

Why? Because I'm stupid enough to think that the right example will get you to say "Man, you're right..." so I should waste time harvesting examples for you to shoot down and say "Doesn't count! Doesn't count!! That one doesn't count either!!"? When the entire point here is that you steadfastly refuse to admit to any such problems with your "style"?

Sorry, champ. Nothing in it for me. Reread the major threads and you'll find dozens of examples of people pointing out errors. And dozens of examples of "Doesn't count! Doesn't count!!". Which actually goes to prove my point twice for me :)

Edited, Apr 10th 2011 4:16pm by Jophiel


I honestly questioned myself on keeping that sentence in there 3 or 4 times because I knew you would respond with that, but I gave you credit to believe that you would at least respond to the rest of the post. /sigh, I guess I was wrong.

The point I was focusing on was the following:


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When there are posters on a thread who disagree with each other, but are not debating each other, only me, then what do you call that?


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All you or anyone else have said is "You fail to comprehend a basic point", which is a whole lot like saying "You're misunderstanding me". Yet, somehow me saying that makes me stupid, but when you say it, it makes you right. You haven't provided anything that I haven't already provided to the discussion. As a result, this is nothing more than a "You don't agree with me, therefore you are stupid". I can just as equally say "you don't understand the most basic point". Does that some how now make me right and you wrong?



I didn't expect you to list any examples because you would just respond with "You don't get it", "You don't get it", which would just keep us in this circle. I only gave you an opportunity if you felt so bold about something. Just as you refused to explain your earlier contradiction, you could have stated your opinion and not explained it. You chose not to simply because you have nothing, given that you still responded to my post.

#804 Apr 10 2011 at 3:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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I honestly questioned myself on keeping that sentence in there 3 or 4 times because I knew you would respond with that, but I gave you credit to believe that you would at least respond to the rest of the post.

Why? You've already established that you don't believe any of what I said was true. At that point, you get the response you deserve, not the one you hoped for.

I disagree with posters all the time. Generally, it leads to either one of us soon admitting an error, a quick establishment that although we disagree, neither of us holds an entirely irrational position or a general lack of interest. It's really only that perfect storm of inaccuracy plus irrationality plus a feeling of complete certainty that leads to a continued defense of the irrational position that creates threads such as those by you or Gbaji or Shadowrelm.

Edited, Apr 10th 2011 4:58pm by Jophiel
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#805 Apr 10 2011 at 3:55 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
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I honestly questioned myself on keeping that sentence in there 3 or 4 times because I knew you would respond with that, but I gave you credit to believe that you would at least respond to the rest of the post.

Why? You've already established that you don't believe any of what I said was true. At that point, you get the response you deserve, not the one you hoped for.



When there are posters on a thread who disagree with each other, but are not debating each other, only me, then what do you call that?


All you or anyone else have said is "You fail to comprehend a basic point", which is a whole lot like saying "You're misunderstanding me". Yet, somehow me saying that makes me stupid, but when you say it, it makes you right. You haven't provided anything that I haven't already provided to the discussion. As a result, this is nothing more than a "You don't agree with me, therefore you are stupid". I can just as equally say "you don't understand the most basic point". Does that some how now make me right and you wrong?



I didn't expect you to list any examples because you would just respond with "You don't get it", "You don't get it", which would just keep us in this circle. I only gave you an opportunity if you felt so bold about something. Just as you refused to explain your earlier contradiction, you could have stated your opinion and not explained it. You chose not to simply because you have nothing, given that you still responded to my post.
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Responded in edit.

Let me ask you, if you agree that other forum posters disagree with one another on a regular basis, why do you suspect that only disagreements with a select few posters result in threads like yours? If it was purely an inability on everyone else's part to "understand" or whatever, why aren't we having these threads all over the place?

Edited, Apr 10th 2011 5:01pm by Jophiel
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Jophiel wrote:
Responded in edit.

Let me ask you, if you agree that other forum posters disagree with one another on a regular basis, why do you suspect that only disagreements with a select few posters result in threads like yours? If it was purely an inability on everyone else's part to "understand" or whatever, why aren't we having these threads all over the place?

Edited, Apr 10th 2011 5:01pm by Jophiel


It's not an "inability" on everyone else to understand. People understand my points. I've learned that people either A) don't actually read all of my posts and then respond or B) trolling.

Most of the time, when we're engaged in a circular thread, it's because of one of the two reasons. Posters openly admit all of the time of not reading my posts, so how can you turn around and believe that they "understand" my point if they didn't even read it?

Once posters have actually read my posts, the topic typically dies off quickly in comparison. Take for example, me and Sir X in this thread. We both misunderstood each other, but once we understood each other, it was over.

In the remaining amount of times, the posters are just trolling because people choose to react that way to me.

Other posters probably don't like to argue as much as I do. If I have the time, I will almost always debate about it. Internet forums are one of the few places where I'm guaranteed to find something worth arguing about. I've learned that people I know don't always like arguing about stuff.

So, I'll spend 20 pages debating about something while others might just give up and say "eff it". Add in the trolls, the people who generally disagree and the people who just respond for the sake of responding and you have your answer.
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So it's everyone else's fault because if they'd only read your posts the right way, they'd understand. Or else they're just trolling.

Well, that's certainly one theory. Funny how it's only your posts (well, and Gbaji's) that have this problem and we don't have ten pages threads where two other people just failed to read the posts correctly.
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#809 Apr 10 2011 at 4:27 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
So it's everyone else's fault because if they'd only read your posts the right way, they'd understand. Or else they're just trolling.

Well, that's certainly one theory. Funny how it's only your posts (well, and Gbaji's) that have this problem and we don't have ten pages threads where two other people just failed to read the posts correctly.


Their words not mine.

Besides, I said most of the time, not all of the time. You asked why "my" threads are the way they are, long and drawn out. There are many times where someone is wrong, succumbs and it's the end of the topic, but that's not the majority reason nor what you are referring to.

In reference to circular threads, which was your concern, it's drawn out typically because people admit to not reading or they are trolling. That's not to say there aren't any confusion involved, but that is the minority for why the topic is drawn out the way it is.
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Again, certainly one theory. Which still doesn't explain why there's this selective blind spot to your posts.
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#811 Apr 10 2011 at 5:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Alma, not many people here are actually debating with you. We're wasting time. This is a message board where most people visit while they have some downtime at work.
#812 Apr 10 2011 at 5:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Whatever you need to tell yourself, I guess. It's everyone else's problem, not yours.
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#813 Apr 10 2011 at 6:39 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
Again, certainly one theory. Which still doesn't explain why there's this selective blind spot to your posts.


Almalieque just wrote:
Other posters probably don't like to argue as much as I do. If I have the time, I will almost always debate about it.

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So, I'll spend 20 pages debating about something while others might just give up and say "eff it". Add in the trolls, the people who generally disagree and the people who just respond for the sake of responding and you have your answer.


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Alma, not many people here are actually debating with you. We're wasting time. This is a message board where most people visit while they have some downtime at work.


Read above.

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Whatever you need to tell yourself, I guess. It's everyone else's problem, not yours.


That's the thing. It isn't a "problem" for anyone, yet you are trying to paint the scenario as if there is one. I state a position, someone disagrees. I don't agree with their position, S/he doesn't agree with my position. That's how debates commonly operate. There isn't a "problem". There are factors of people not reading, misreading or misunderstanding, but that's all common in debates as well.
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No, you said that people either don't read it all or are trolling. Setting aside anyone trolling and given your theory that it's all about other people's reading, why do your posts have this selective issue that no one else's seem to have?
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Jophiel wrote:
No, you said that people either don't read it all or are trolling. Setting aside anyone trolling and given your theory that it's all about other people's reading,


Almalieque already wrote:
You asked why "my" threads are the way they are, long and drawn out. There are many times where someone is wrong, succumbs and it's the end of the topic, but that's not the majority reason nor what you are referring to.

In reference to circular threads
, which was your concern, it's drawn out typically because people admit to not reading or they are trolling. That's not to say there aren't any confusion involved, but that is the minority for why the topic is drawn out the way it is.


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why do your posts have this selective issue that no one else's seem to have?


Other posters probably don't like to argue as much as I do. If I have the time, I will almost always debate about it.

So, I'll spend 20 pages debating about something while others might just give up and say "eff it". Add in the trolls, the people who generally disagree and the people who just respond for the sake of responding and you have your answer.
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So you're not getting any special (or unfair) treatment from the posters, you just like to talk a lot.
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#817 Apr 11 2011 at 3:46 AM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
So you're not getting any special (or unfair) treatment from the posters, you just like to talk a lot.


In reference to circular threads, which was your concern, it's drawn out typically because people admit to not reading or they are trolling. That's not to say there aren't any confusion involved, but that is the minority for why the topic is drawn out the way it is.

I'll spend 20 pages debating about something while others might just give up and say "eff it". Add in the trolls, the people who generally disagree and the people who just respond for the sake of responding and you have your answer.
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Almalieque wrote:
Add in the trolls, the people who generally disagree and the people who just respond for the sake of responding and you have your answer.


Doesn't that describe you?
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Add in the trolls, the people who generally disagree and the people who just respond for the sake of responding and you have your answer.


Doesn't that describe you?


Let's see.

1. I don't create arguments that I don't believe to stir emotions, so I'm not a troll.

2. "People who generally disagree" is applicable to everyone as we all don't agree on everything.

3. I may argue for the sake of arguing, but I have my points and bring my arguments. They are not "+1's" just to say things like "Is this thread still going on?", "Wow, I haven't read anything in this thread," "I don't want to know what's going on.", etc.

So, to answer your question, no, it doesn't describe me.
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Add in the trolls, the people who generally disagree and the people who just respond for the sake of responding and you have your answer.


Doesn't that describe you?
Completely. He responds solely for the sake of responding since he knows no one is reading his posts.
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Almalieque wrote:
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So you're not getting any special (or unfair) treatment from the posters, you just like to talk a lot.
In reference to...

It was a "yes" or "no" sort of thing. Or, as I said, you just talk too much.
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Jophiel wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
So you're not getting any special (or unfair) treatment from the posters, you just like to talk a lot.
In reference to...

It was a "yes" or "no" sort of thing. Or, as I said, you just talk too much.


It was not a "yes" or "no" sort of thing, it was the answer that I gave you. There are different results to different conditions and I gave all of them to you. You just wanted to focus on one of the conditions to make it appear that I was contradicting myself, by ignoring the other parts. When I gave you the whole shabang, your tactic failed.
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Jophiel wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
So you're not getting any special (or unfair) treatment from the posters, you just like to talk a lot.
In reference to...

It was a "yes" or "no" sort of thing. Or, as I said, you just talk too much.
He likes to repeat himself. Copying and pasting arguments from 3 pages back and reusing them again. He always assumes we missed it and needed to be shown again, which is funny because if we missed it the first time, we're probably not going to read it the 2nd time either. Or, more likely, we disregarded it as dribble the first time and will do the same 2nd time around. It's possible he's dumb enough to do this thinking we'll care the 2nd time around, but I think in all honesty, he's just doing as everyone else, responding for the sake of it.

Edited, Apr 11th 2011 9:28am by Uglysasquatch
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It was not a "yes" or "no" sort of thing, it was the answer that I gave you.

Heh... okay.
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Wow, I'm glad I'm not reading this thread. You'd think that with THIS many posts, there's actually be some drama in here.
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Wow, I'm glad I'm not reading this thread. You'd think that with THIS many posts, there's actually be some drama in here.
This thread is about as pointless and boring as they get. It's really just some people using Alma to farm posts.
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