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#1 Feb 09 2011 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
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Yet another example of a Conservative rabble rousing on a hot-button issue then frantically (or not-so-frantically in this case) backpedaling afterward. He knew exactly what he was saying. He said it precisely to continue the violent undertone of recent politics, and to incite a reaction from the other side of the isle.
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My first thought is that it alluded to some video online promoting an easier path to citizenship. The people in the crowd were to lambast the video's creator and the sites that host it until they get rid of it, effectively "emptying the clip" off the face of the internet.

... yeah, this is tougher to do than I thought. gbaji's got a gift.
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Beason said he made the comment after telling a story about a family visiting a big city and being approached by an armed robber. He said a Democratic father would sympathize with the bandit and try to help him. Another father might pull a gun and fire one shot to stop the robbery. But another father might empty his clip to protect his family.

"It was about doing everything you can," he said.
How is this not specifically about gun violence?
#9 Feb 09 2011 at 2:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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How is this not specifically about gun violence?

Violence implies something more sinister. It's euphemistic of leaving no option on the table, no tool un-utilized in the effort to stem the flow of illegals in to the country. You're not completely f'ucking stupid, so you already know this. Other than that, it's forgettable.

What's really telling or, rather, should be, is the video from the Anti-Koch Brothers rally earlier this month. I thought it was the Tea Party members that were supposed to be racist & violent.
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The world really is a simple place. Democrats are whiny appeasers who will talk to the armed robbers (gays, foreigners, terrorists, whatever) and try to reason with them. Naturally this is futile and the silly democrats will end up *** raped, robbed, and eventually dead in a gutter along with our American way of life. Republicans are strong silent gunslingers who empty their openly carried 31-round Glocks into evert mud person they see. This will keep our way of life safe and protect our shining city on a hill.
#11 Feb 09 2011 at 2:24 PM Rating: Good
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The world really is a simple place. Democrats are whiny appeasers who will talk to the armed robbers (gays, foreigners, terrorists, whatever) and try to reason with them. Naturally this is futile and the silly democrats will end up *** raped, robbed, and eventually dead in a gutter along with our American way of life. Republicans are strong silent gunslingers who empty their openly carried 31-round Glocks into evert mud person they see. This will keep our way of life safe and protect our shining city on a hill.

Well, you're right about one thing. The world is a simple place. Unfortunately it's filled with simple people, like you. Don't eat lead paint, m'kay?
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My work computer is fresh out of YouTube so... what on earth ia an "Anti-Koch Brother rally"?
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How is this not specifically about gun violence?

Violence implies something more sinister. It's euphemistic of leaving no option on the table, no tool un-utilized in the effort to stem the flow of illegals in to the country. You're not completely f'ucking stupid, so you already know this. Other than that, it's forgettable.

What's really telling or, rather, should be, is the video from the Anti-Koch Brothers rally earlier this month. I thought it was the Tea Party members that were supposed to be racist & violent.


Not sure if you're trolling, but a cursory Google search seems to say this is an Andrew Breitbart video. In fact, he's in the video shouting "Let's Go to Applebee's!" at 2:28.
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My work computer is fresh out of YouTube so... what on earth ia an "Anti-Koch Brother rally"?


Probably has something to do with this:

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The billionaire brothers' influence is most visible in the makeup of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, where members have vowed to undo restrictions on greenhouse gases.

By Tom Hamburger, Kathleen Hennessey and Neela Banerjee, Los Angeles Times

February 6, 2011

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The billionaire brothers David and Charles Koch no longer sit outside Washington's political establishment, isolated by their uncompromising conservatism. Instead, they are now at the center of Republican power, a change most evident in the new makeup of the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

Wichita-based Koch Industries and its employees formed the largest single oil and gas donor to members of the panel, ahead of giants like Exxon Mobil, contributing $279,500 to 22 of the committee's 31 Republicans, and $32,000 to five Democrats.

Nine of the 12 new Republicans on the panel signed a pledge distributed by a Koch-founded advocacy group — Americans for Prosperity — to oppose the Obama administration's proposal to regulate greenhouse gases. Of the six GOP freshman lawmakers on the panel, five benefited from the group's separate advertising and grass-roots activity during the 2010 campaign.

Claiming an electoral mandate, Republicans on the committee have launched an agenda of the sort long backed by the Koch brothers. A top early goal: restricting the reach of the Environmental Protection Agency, which oversees the Kochs' core energy businesses.

The new committee members include a congressman who has hired a former Koch Industries lawyer as his chief of staff. Another, Rep. Morgan Griffith of Virginia, won a long-shot bid to unseat a 14-term moderate Democrat with help from Americans for Prosperity, which marshaled conservative activists in his district. By some estimates, the advocacy group spent more than a quarter-million dollars on negative ads in the campaign. "I'm just thankful that you all helped in so many ways," Griffith told an Americans for Prosperity rally not long after his election.

Perhaps the Kochs' most surprising and important ally on the committee is its new chairman, Rep. Fred Upton. The Republican from Michigan, who was once criticized by conservatives for his middle-of-the-road approach to environmental issues, is now leading the effort to rein in the EPA.

Upton received $20,000 in donations from Koch employees in 2010, making them among his top 10 donors in that cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

In recent months the congressman has made a point of publicly aligning himself with the Koch-backed advocacy group, calling for an end to the "EPA chokehold." Last week the chairman released a draft of a bill that would strip the EPA of its ability to curb carbon emissions. The legislation is in line with the Kochs' long-advocated stance that the federal government should have a minimal role in regulating business. The Kochs' oil refineries and chemical plants stand to pay millions to reduce air pollution under currently proposed EPA regulations.

Koch Industries is the country's second-largest privately run company, a conglomerate of refining, pipeline, chemical and paper businesses. Their products include Lycra and Coolmax fibers, Brawny paper towels and Stainmaster carpets. Last year, Forbes magazine listed the brothers as the nation's fifth-richest people, each worth $21.5 billion.

A spokesman for the famously press-shy family declined to comment. Koch allies say the brothers act out of ideological conviction.

A Washington energy consultant familiar with the Kochs, Javier Ortiz, said the committee agenda reflects the "needs of the American people" and a broad shift in political sentiment.

A symbolic arrival

When the 85 freshman GOP lawmakers marched into the Capitol on Jan. 5 as part of the new Republican House majority, David Koch was there too.

The 70-year-old had an appointment with a staff member of the new speaker, Rep. John A. Boehner (R-Ohio). At the same time, the head of Americans for Prosperity, Tim Phillips, had an appointment with Upton. They used the opportunity to introduce themselves to some of the new legislators and invited them to a welcome party at the Capitol Hill Club, a favorite wine-and-cheese venue for Republican power players in Washington.

The reception was a symbolic arrival for the Kochs, who have not always been close to the Republican hub. The brothers were known as hard-liners unafraid to take on conservative icons — even President Reagan and the American Petroleum Institute — whom they occasionally perceived to be too accommodating to liberal interests. David Koch ran as the Libertarian Party's vice presidential candidate in 1980, when Reagan was the GOP presidential candidate.

The Kochs provided initial funding for the libertarian Cato Institute and are key donors to the Federalist Society, among other conservative organizations.

In recent years, they began drawing conservative media, business and political leaders to semiannual meetings in the West to discuss protection of the free-market ethos and to raise funds for their causes. The most recent was in Rancho Mirage a week ago.

Frustrated with the state of conservatism in Washington during the George W. Bush era, the Kochs began to shift the discussions at recent meetings from fundraising for think tanks to more specific electoral strategy.

Longtime ties

At the center of the new ground-level strategy is a beefed-up role for Americans for Prosperity. Along with other well-funded conservative groups, the group was very active in the congressional midterm election — in many cases taking on roles often performed by national and state parties.

Americans for Prosperity is the political arm of the Americans for Prosperity Foundation, which David Koch co-founded in the 1980s under the name Citizens for a Sound Economy. He is chairman of the board of the foundation, which says it aims to educate citizens on "a return of the federal government to its constitutional limits."

Americans for Prosperity says it spent $40 million in the 2010 election cycle, organized rallies and phone banks, and canvassed door to door in nearly 100 races across the country. The organization found scores of energetic activists in the "tea party" movement to carry its message.

Throughout this effort, Americans for Prosperity kept a strong emphasis on promoting its views on climate change and energy regulation. In 2008, it began circulating a pledge asking politicians to denounce a Democratic-led effort to compel oil refineries and utilities to clean up emissions of greenhouse gases through a so-called cap-and-trade system. The organization said it amounted to a hidden tax increase.

The cap-and-trade legislation passed the House but died in the Senate. Americans for Prosperity began working to defeat House Democrats who voted for the bill, showing the power of its new activist base.

The advocacy group does not disclose spending in individual races. But it said it facilitated tens of thousands of phone calls and organized dozens of events in recent congressional campaigns. Among the beneficiaries, besides Griffith, were newly elected Reps. Cory Gardner (R-Colo.) and Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.). All three now sit on the Energy and Commerce Committee.

Gardner and Kinzinger declined to comment on their relationship with Americans for Prosperity and the Koch brothers, although a spokeswoman for Gardner emphasized that the group's work was "totally independent" of his campaign, in line with federal election rules.

Other committee members have deeper ties to the Kochs.

Rep. Mike Pompeo (R-Kan.), who represents Koch Industries' home district, launched an aerospace company with investment help from a Koch subsidiary. He sold the company last year. His chief of staff is Mark Chenoweth, a former Koch Industries lawyer.

Phil Kerpen, vice president for policy at Americans for Prosperity, said the organization was pleased with the committee's new members.

"From a policy standpoint, I think those are pretty good choices," he said, mentioning Griffith in particular.

Griffith has questioned the EPA and the science behind its proposed regulation of global warming. "We have to be sure the EPA is reined in," he said recently.

The Supreme Court ruled in 2007 that the EPA had the power to regulate greenhouse gases as air pollutants under the Clean Air Act. Pompeo, Griffith and others want to strip the EPA of that authority.

Until recently, Upton would have been an unlikely champion of that view.

In 2009, he told a Michigan newspaper: "Climate change is a serious problem that necessitates serious solutions." Rush Limbaugh ridiculed Upton for his sponsorship of an energy-saving bill. Tea party groups opposed his bid for the committee chairmanship.

But as chairman, Upton said that EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson would have to attend so many hearings before his committee that she would need her own parking space on Capitol Hill. In daily e-mail blasts, he hammered at the EPA's "job-killing" regulations.

His bluntest rhetoric against the EPA came in late December, in a Wall Street Journal commentary he wrote with Phillips of Americans for Prosperity.

The EPA's regulation of greenhouse gas emissions, they wrote, "represents an unconstitutional power grab that will kill millions of jobs — unless Congress steps in."

In an e-mail statement, Upton denied that his position on climate change had shifted, and he explained his work with conservative activists. "Meeting with and listening to individuals and organizations that will be affected by the laws and regulations this committee oversees is one of our fundamental responsibilities," he said.

The change on the committee is "like night and day," said Jeremy Symons, senior vice president of the National Wildlife Federation, a nonpartisan organization that lobbied the committee to stem greenhouse gas emissions.

"In the past the committee majority viewed the Clean Air Act as an effective way to protect the public," Symons said. "Now the committee treats the Clean Air Act and the EPA as if they are the enemy. Voters didn't ask for this pro-polluter agenda, but the Koch brothers spent their money well and their presence can be felt."

Republicans wave off such comments, saying the focus on the Koch brothers is just the left's latest conspiracy theory.

"[Former Chairman] Henry Waxman stacked the committee with liberal environmentalists," said Rep. John Shimkus (R-Ill.), who now chairs the economy and environment subcommittee. "Now we are moving things back to the center."


Did I beat gbaji for maximum amount of words in a single post?

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#16 Feb 09 2011 at 2:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Not sure if you're trolling, but a cursory Google search seems to say this is an Andrew Breitbart video. In fact, he's in the video shouting "Let's Go to Applebee's!" at 2:28.

Well, then I guess that makes it less inflammatory for people to suggest lynching Clarence Thomas or sending him back to the fields. Racism/Political Execution is cool if it's on a Breitbart video.
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Did I beat gbaji for maximum amount of words in a single post?

Edited, Feb 9th 2011 3:44pm by Shaowstrike


Pretty certain I've seen longer from him
#18 Feb 09 2011 at 2:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Not sure if you're trolling, but a cursory Google search seems to say this is an Andrew Breitbart video. In fact, he's in the video shouting "Let's Go to Applebee's!" at 2:28.

Well, then I guess that makes it less inflammatory for people to suggest lynching Clarence Thomas or sending him back to the fields. Racism/Political Execution is cool if it's on a Breitbart video.


Nah, it just makes it a lot more likely that the comments are either staged or taken out of context. Reference Shirley Sherrod or the undercover ACORN videos, both of which were later discredited when the full tapes showed Breitbart's creative cutting and set-ups.

It's perfectly possible that there were violent and hateful protesters there, of course. Granted, the difference between the random protester using "hate-filled speech" and an Alabama state senator was the crux of the OP (or so I took it). Oh, and 25 protesters got arrested at the Koch rally, so justice was served.
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It's perfectly possible that there were violent and hateful protesters there, of course. Granted, the difference between the random protester using "hate-filled speech" and an Alabama state senator was the crux of the OP (or so I took it). Oh, and 25 protesters got arrested at the Koch rally, so justice was served.


While the OP was about said state senator, the more relevant comparison for the video is to tea party rallies, wouldn't you think? The ease with which someone like Breitbart can make a video like this while attending a single liberal rally compared to the montage method used to attack the tea party is pretty telling all by itself. If you have to literally collect video and stills from a couple hundred events to find 20 seconds worth of "hate", you might just be looking too hard, right?
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LockeColeMA wrote:
It's perfectly possible that there were violent and hateful protesters there, of course. Granted, the difference between the random protester using "hate-filled speech" and an Alabama state senator was the crux of the OP (or so I took it). Oh, and 25 protesters got arrested at the Koch rally, so justice was served.


While the OP was about said state senator, the more relevant comparison for the video is to tea party rallies, wouldn't you think?


Actually, not remotely. The relevant comparison for the OP would be to Palin's "Don't Retreat, Reload" shenanigans and the call from both sides to tone down rhetoric (and the calls from the right of "@#%^ you, we can say what we want"). Moe's video would be a good comparison to Tea Party rallies, and the comparisons were made. I'm not sure what you mean by "ease"; I'd love your link to Breitbart's film-making strategy, especially for that rally.

Edit: It looks like I misinterpreted what you meant. I can understand why you're making the argument as you are, and the reasoning that you try and ignore that Breitbart's videos are famous for ******** people over and being completely cut for his political argument. You're more than welcome to compare the Tea Party rally cameramen to him. I'm assuming you know who they are, because they're infamous for deliberate misinterpretation too, right?

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Racism/Political Execution is cool if it's on a Breitbart video.

Having not seen the video in question but knowing that Breitbart has a proven history of lying and doctoring videos to suit his political agenda, I certainly would take any video he distributes with a healthy grain of salt.
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#23 Feb 09 2011 at 5:17 PM Rating: Good
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Racism/Political Execution is cool if it's on a Breitbart video.

Having not seen the video in question but knowing that Breitbart has a proven history of lying and doctoring videos to suit his political agenda, I certainly would take any video he distributes with a healthy grain of salt.

Thanks. Now watch it and add something other than post count.
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Sure, I watched it. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with it. At worse, it shows that some random people said stupid, indefensible shit. This being Breitbart, it's just as likely filled with plants or something. Complain about that attitude if you want, but he's earned it with his history of doctored "truth".
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Moe's video would be a good comparison to Tea Party rallies, and the comparisons were made. I'm not sure what you mean by "ease"; I'd love your link to Breitbart's film-making strategy, especially for that rally.


I thought I explained what I meant. When you can attend one liberal rally and come up nearly 4 minutes of video with a dozen or so different people saying and doing things that are racist, hateful, and calling for violence, it's "easy" to make such a video highlighting those things.

The contrast is to the tea party rallies where if you attend a hundred of them, you might find one guy with an offensive button at one, and then 30 rallies later, another guy spouting racist rhetoric, and then 30 rallies after that, someone calling for violence. Yet this doesn't stop some organizations from attending that many and assembling the scant instances they can find into a single location and painting them as violent racist hatemongers.

The point is to apply the same standards.

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Edit: It looks like I misinterpreted what you meant. I can understand why you're making the argument as you are, and the reasoning that you try and ignore that Breitbart's videos are famous for ******** people over and being completely cut for his political argument.


But this is no different than what everyone else does. When the NAACP posts video and images on its site showing racism at tea party rallies, what do you think they are doing? When mainstream news sources run a video with a news story "investigating" allegations of white racist violence being directed at Obama by the tea parties and they show clips of a man showing up at an Obama rally with an assault riflea, showing the rifle and enough of his body to show that he's a member of the tea party, but then cut the footage just before showing the guys face (and revealing that he's black), what do you think they are doing?

Hold everyone to the same standard.

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You're more than welcome to compare the Tea Party rally cameramen to him. I'm assuming you know who they are, because they're infamous for deliberate misinterpretation too, right?


Kinda missing the point. All of that footage was shot at one rally. The fact that someone can go to one of those and get that footage, no matter how many other people nearby were all talking peace and love, should still speak volumes, right? Do you think anyone else shows full fair context in their videos either? Nope. They find the one guy shouting hate and that's what gets put in front of the audience. But when Breitbart does this, and is able to find many times more people at a single rally, he's dishonest?

Again. Apply the same standards.
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