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#1 Feb 08 2011 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
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Varus wrote:
Aripya,

I noticed you didn't put they work longer hours to provide for their families which can cause stress which does typically lead to bigger health issues which can in fact shorten their life expectancy.


It is a repeatedly proven scientific fact that married* men live longer lives than single men, and married* women live shorter lives than single women.

A popular hypothesis from this fact is that on average married men have less stressful lives than single men, and single women have less stressful lives than married women. It may be interpreted that overall women look after men better than men look after women. This speculation is not important to your point. What is important is that a man with a family to provide for is overall less stressed, and more healthy than a man alone with no family to provide for.


*married/partnered/de-facto
#2 Feb 08 2011 at 3:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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A popular hypothesis from this fact is that on average married men have less stressful lives than single men, and single women have less stressful lives than married women.

Another possibility is that husbands eventually kill and eat their wives, thus remaining better fed than their single counterparts while lowering the life expectancy of the married female.
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#3 Feb 08 2011 at 4:02 PM Rating: Good
Just don't suggest that an individual man has or will eaten his wife as the suggestion of cunnilingus may, in fact, be actionable.
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You're in danger of violating the cross-thread posting policy of this forum, sport.
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#5 Feb 08 2011 at 4:09 PM Rating: Good
Better that than the dead muff munching I referenced.

Dodged a bullet there.
#6 Feb 08 2011 at 4:11 PM Rating: Good
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Possibly more of a case of a slow sucking out of the soul...

anyways...
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Hey, I'm a liberal, and I'm all about it. I don't think a man should be financially on the hook if he doesn't want a child either. I just haven't quite figured out how to ethically force a woman to get an abortion against her will. So you could make an argument that she just has to absolve the man of any responsibility if she wants to have the baby, I guess. The problem is that it flies in the face of the entire legal system-- a parent has no legal ability to be absolved of responsibility. The legal system is aimed (rightfully) at protecting the child's interest first, and it's difficult to make the legal argument that a child is better off without an additional financial provider.

But if you figure out some way to get men off the hook without ******** the woman or the child, I'll be right behind you.

Historically there were many cases where fathers names never made it onto birth certificates. In this case the father should have no rights to the child, but no responsibilities either.

I think it's fair that if a prospective mother can decide she is in no fit circumstance to raise a child, and has the choice to abort the foetus, that a prospective father also has the same choice to make a self assessment of readiness to responsibly parent a child, and whether or not he has the resources to do so. If he decides the answer is no, but the women wants to go ahead with the pregnancy, I think he should have the option to be left off the birth certificate, whether or not this is hypothetically worse for the child.

In my own estimation (and personal experience, not that a single instance makes a proof), a very unready parent is worse than no parent at all.
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Aripyanfar wrote:
a very unready parent


As well as unwilling, and likely bitter, to boot.

But it's really "damned if you do, damned if you don't." I dunno...there's no solution that appeals to me in the least here.
#8 Feb 08 2011 at 4:19 PM Rating: Good
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anyways...

Excuse me, miss. I don't know how you people do things on the wrong side of the equator, but around here we are not so dismissive with oral necrophilia.
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Aripyanfar wrote:
that a prospective father also has the same choice to make a self assessment of readiness to responsibly parent a child, and whether or not he has the resources to do so.

However, the state is uninterested in the father's "readiness" to parent the child and unwilling to accept a self-assessment of how many resources he can spare. The father can abdicate any active role in raising the child provided he at least passively supports the child via deductions from his paycheck.

This works in both directions (spoken as a father who receives child support payments from a mother who rejected her parenting role) so there is no inherent unfairness to this. Once the child is born, it is the responsibility of both parties to contribute. This is all the state is concerned with: there is a child and it must be supported. One can argue that the abortion-making decision itself is unfair but, unfair or not, it's a reflection of biological realities. Until the day comes where the father can abort the child by personally undergoing an operation, that decision will remain firmly with the mother. It is not in the state's best interest to cut support for the child by the parents in the interest of over-riding the biological realities of pregnancy.
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#10 Feb 08 2011 at 4:37 PM Rating: Good
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Aripyanfar wrote:
anyways...

Excuse me, miss. I don't know how you people do things on the wrong side of the equator, but around here we are not so dismissive with oral necrophilia.
I'm just a slow poster, since that post was in response to Jophiel's first in the thread. Trust me, if you remove the consequences of complete sphincter relaxation, I am indeed fascinated with oral necrophilia.

Where else am I to indulge my hobbies of forensic entomology and exotic cuisines?

Edited, Feb 8th 2011 5:39pm by Aripyanfar
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Jophiel wrote:
You're in danger of violating the cross-thread posting policy of this forum, sport.


We have a cross thread posting policy?
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#12 Feb 08 2011 at 5:08 PM Rating: Good
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Anonymous B is sure of it, likes to refer to it, and complains if it is violated.

With or without marks.
#13 Feb 08 2011 at 5:59 PM Rating: Good
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
You're in danger of violating the cross-thread posting policy of this forum, sport.


We have a cross thread posting policy?


Yes, according to a poster that's already got his panties in a wad.

Also, what Ari said.
#14 Feb 08 2011 at 10:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, I see a Cross forum spamming policy, and a policy that mentions the red cross as an example. But I don't think we ever implemented a cross thread policy. I suppose posting the same thing in more than one thread enough times would eventually trigger the spamming clauses.
https://everquest.allakhazam.com/wiki/Forum_Rules

I was going to implement a cross stitch policy and a crossword policy, but then I realized I can't spell or make things with string.
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#15 Feb 08 2011 at 10:12 PM Rating: Good
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thats why i don't do crosswords either.
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Is it wrong that I want to sneak in and change your sig to "1/2 PRICE ROG, WITH COUPON (OFFER NOT AVAILABLE IN UTAH)"
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#17 Feb 08 2011 at 10:16 PM Rating: Good
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HAHAHA you do what ever you feel like doing, only takes me a couple seconds to change it back once I realize it.


Unless you have powers that can stop me from doing that....in which case I implore you not to invoke those powers at the same time.

Edited, Feb 8th 2011 11:17pm by rdmcandie
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#18 Feb 08 2011 at 10:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Is it wrong that I want to sneak in and change your sig to "1/2 PRICE ROG, WITH COUPON (OFFER NOT AVAILABLE IN UTAH)"

So it's a little like "ban one rog, get one free!"
#19 Feb 08 2011 at 10:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Kind of like that Rogaine commmercial I guess?

And no, I can't really prevent anyone from changing their sig short of doing something permanent.
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