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#77 Feb 08 2011 at 10:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Kao, not that I feel you made an error in closing the thread when a formal complaint was made, but I do think you're wrong in stating that gbaji has a case. It was a singular event. It's going to be hard to prove that someone is intentionally trying to defame you through libel she does it once in a vehement thread in a situation where crude insults are par for course. Sure, I got my e-lawyer certificate from the same school as you, but I'm pretty sure her comment fails to meet malicious intent.

Edited, Feb 8th 2011 10:16pm by Allegory
#78 Feb 08 2011 at 10:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I do that specifically to highlight the problem I see with the pursuit of the "cause" of date-rape. Which is its provability in a court of law.


I knew it was just whine.



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You were serious about that? I assumed you were playing your usual word games again, given that the case you provided doesn't actually fall outside the definition of "forcible rape" and especially when you hammed it up with mention of a death ray (edit: Apparently, I inserted that myself. Whatever!)

Are you serious? No, you didn't think it was just a joke, stop embarrassing yourself by pretending otherwise.

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But for the record, if it can be established that someone did point a gun at a woman and forced her to have sex with him, then that does qualify as "forcible rape", and thus would qualify her for federal funding for an abortion if she wants one.

Wow, talk about missing the point entirely. You thought this counted as some sort of defense?

Again, your stance is that if a woman has been raped at gunpoint, we should start with a presumption that she is lying and out to defraud the government and thus deny her any aid for her condition. There's really no way to spin this as anything else. This is the entire foundation by which you spent pages defending the GOP legislation. This is what you're trying to weasel out of now saying "Gee, if it's been established..."

Say it again with me: When a woman has been raped in a manner that left no overwhelming physical evidence, your immediate presumption is that she is a thief and a liar and should be denied the aid to get her life back in order. Given that this is what you believe strongly enough to argue it for pages, I can't understand why your backpedaling away from it now.

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#80 Feb 08 2011 at 10:20 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Say it again with me: When a woman has been raped in a manner that left no overwhelming physical evidence, your immediate presumption is that she is a thief and a liar

How did thief get in there? What did she do, steal his *****?

Edit: oh, federal funding. I think that question is funny enough to leave as is though.

Edited, Feb 8th 2011 10:21pm by Allegory
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Kao, not that I feel you made an error in closing the thread when a formal complaint was made, but I do think you're wrong in stating that gbaji has a case. It was a singular event. It's going to be hard to prove that someone is intentionally trying to defame you through libel she does it once in a vehement thread in a situation where crude insults are par for course. Sure, I got my e-lawyer certificate from the same school as you, but I'm pretty sure her comment fails to meet malicious intent.


Proof of intent is usually pretty difficult to deliver, however the follow up statements posted in that and this thread pretty much make that a given. Proving harm occured might be more difficult.
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#82 Feb 08 2011 at 10:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Proof of intent is usually pretty difficult to deliver, however the follow up statements posted in that and this thread pretty much make that a given. Proving harm occured might be more difficult.

She certainly intended to insult him, but I don't see any evidence of intent to defame. It may be a false accusation, but she isn't trying to convince people that gbaji is a rapist, she's merely calling him one.
#83 Feb 08 2011 at 10:26 PM Rating: Good
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I hear that glen beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990
#84 Feb 08 2011 at 10:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I can not wait for Varus to join this thread. I am sure to have a braingasm at 10AM tomorrow morning.
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#85 Feb 08 2011 at 10:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, but that wasn't done to try and increase Gbaji's character status on the forum, thats for sure. She didn't "accidentally" call him a rapist, and I don't think given the conversation in that thread that you could argue that she didn't feel the label would be harmful. Certanly there is room for interpertation of degree and severity.
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Allegory wrote:
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Say it again with me: When a woman has been raped in a manner that left no overwhelming physical evidence, your immediate presumption is that she is a thief and a liar

How did thief get in there? What did she do, steal his *****?

Edit: oh, federal funding. I think that question is funny enough to leave as is though.

According to Gbaji, every woman who wants an abortion will falsely claim to have been raped in order to defraud the government.

You know, just like what happens today under the current legislation.
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#87 Feb 08 2011 at 10:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, but that wasn't done to try and increase Gbaji's character status on the forum, thats for sure. She didn't "accidentally" call him a rapist, and I don't think given the conversation in that thread that you could argue that she didn't feel the label would be harmful. Certanly there is room for interpertation of degree and severity.


Not to mention Gbaji has basically said it didn't make him want to sue, which in other words is similar to saying, it didn't bother me that much so I don't really care.
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#88 Feb 08 2011 at 10:34 PM Rating: Decent
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But Gbaji is entitled to his own opinion, though he is likely just trying to prove some point that in his mind makes him look like a superstar.


Do you (any of you) honestly think I enjoyed making this ruckus? I did it because something was said about me directly which I felt was well past acceptable even on this forum. If I could have honestly come up with anyway to reconcile what was said without having to confront Guenny about it, I would have. What I do find strange is that so many of you think I'm over-reacting with my response, but none of you are with yours? I've never see so many people get so butthurt over something in my life. Wah!!! Someone pushed a button and told on someone!

Get over it. It's not like I accused any of you of committing a felony or anything. Why are you upset?
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#89 Feb 08 2011 at 10:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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True. But I have to assume the worst potential outcome, which would be a lawsuit which would involve the forum / zam / affinity media in some way.

Edit, also I have no idea who did that to your Sig RMDcandie... Really. No idea at all. <whistles>

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#90 Feb 08 2011 at 10:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:

It's not like I accused any of you of committing a felony or anything.


Interesting fact, depending on the state, Libel can be considered a felony when it meats certain criteria.
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#91 Feb 08 2011 at 10:41 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
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But Gbaji is entitled to his own opinion, though he is likely just trying to prove some point that in his mind makes him look like a superstar.


Do you (any of you) honestly think I enjoyed making this ruckus? I did it because something was said about me directly which I felt was well past acceptable even on this forum. If I could have honestly come up with anyway to reconcile what was said without having to confront Guenny about it, I would have. What I do find strange is that so many of you think I'm over-reacting with my response, but none of you are with yours? I've never see so many people get so butthurt over something in my life. Wah!!! Someone pushed a button and told on someone!

Get over it. It's not like I accused any of you of committing a felony or anything. Why are you upset?


Look I don't know who this person who insulted you is, and TBH I have more e-respect for you then him/her/it. But I am going to play the "it's the internet card" sh*t gets said all the time, sometimes some punches hurt a little more than others.

But be honest, are you seriously upset. Or was this just melodrama because you were getting shredded over your obscure version of Rape.

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HA nice Kao, I think I am going to leave it for a bit, seems classy.

Edited, Feb 8th 2011 11:43pm by rdmcandie
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#92 Feb 08 2011 at 10:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Not to mention Gbaji has basically said it didn't make him want to sue, which in other words is similar to saying, it didn't bother me that much so I don't really care.


Seriously? There are no things in your life you care enough about to mention to someone else, or even to demand an apology over, but not enough to sue them over? That's kinda... odd, isn't it?
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Edit, also I have no idea who did that to your Sig RMDcandie... Really. No idea at all. <whistles>
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Not to mention Gbaji has basically said it didn't make him want to sue, which in other words is similar to saying, it didn't bother me that much so I don't really care.


Seriously? There are no things in your life you care enough about to mention to someone else, or even to demand an apology over, but not enough to sue them over? That's kinda... odd, isn't it?


Nope to be quite honest I usually avoid getting myself into situations where my opinion is so ridiculously obscure that people feel the need to harsh my mellow for it. Ive never had ambition to sue anyone nor ask for an apology. But I guess when I don't really care what people think about me on the internet it goes without saying.

Unless you think the internet is your life, you are way over doing this.
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People around here keep accusing me of being a hippie, and just recently, while I was away down south, camping on top of a crystal mountain, smoking pot and patently unable to defend myself, I was accused of being a kiwi varus ffs!

That is far, FAR, FAR worse imo.

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But I am going to play the "it's the internet card" sh*t gets said all the time, sometimes some punches hurt a little more than others.


Yes. But as Kao pointed out, there is a difference between internet "punches" and an accusation or claim about someone which can legally be considered defamatory. Most people automatically avoid the latter. It's not even that hard. In this case, guenny's post crossed that line. At the end of the day, an internet persona is a part of the person. We like to talk about anonymity, but it's not really there. And it's not always about immediate harm either. Imagine if 10 years from now, I decide to run for public office. Someone tracks down my internet posting name and finds a post by someone accusing me of having committed rape and I don't deny it at the time. Do you think anyone's going to figure out if the claim was true? Or do you think they'll just run with a non-denied accusation from 10 years ago?

Is there even a doubt?


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But be honest, are you seriously upset.


It's 50% upset and 50% 'if I don't say something now, it becomes "true" to some people'.


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Or was this just melodrama because you were getting shredded over your obscure version of Rape.


I'd say she resorted to personal attacks and accusations because she was getting shredded over her unsupportable position. It's interesting to me that your own bias overlooks her motives for making the personal attack in the first place, but clings to it as explanation for my defense against it.


I really ought to write a book someday about internet clique psychology someday. I've got tons of material!
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I've never see so many people get so butthurt over something in my life.

Let me help you with that...
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Nope to be quite honest I usually avoid getting myself into situations where my opinion is so ridiculously obscure that people feel the need to harsh my mellow for it.


What about a situation in which someone else holds a position which is ridiculously obscure (to use your words) and then because you refuse to accept his position, he does or says something you take great offense to, and you might want to get that person to apologize? You can't imagine that could ever happen? No matter how ridiculous the other persons position is or how wrong they are, you can't imagine feeling a need to correct them?


I'll add "compulsive need to interpret people's actions and decisions within a context which assumes that they are always wrong and I am always right" to the list.
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I've never see so many people get so butthurt over something in my life.

Let me help you with that...


Yup. Bunch of people getting butthurt. So butthurt that they extended their butthurtness into creating a whole new thread full of butthurt! Thanks for making my point for me. :)
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Nope to be quite honest I usually avoid getting myself into situations where my opinion is so ridiculously obscure that people feel the need to harsh my mellow for it.


What about a situation in which someone else holds a position which is ridiculously obscure (to use your words) and then because you refuse to accept his position, he does or says something you take great offense to, and you might want to get that person to apologize? You can't imagine that could ever happen? No matter how ridiculous the other persons position is or how wrong they are, you can't imagine feeling a need to correct them?


I'll add "compulsive need to interpret people's actions and decisions within a context which assumes that they are always wrong and I am always right" to the list.



You know the best thing about being over 40? Its that when you're over 40 you dont give 2 shits what anyone else thinks of you.

Its ace. /nod
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#101 Feb 08 2011 at 11:13 PM Rating: Good
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It's 50% upset and 50% 'if I don't say something now, it becomes "true" to some people'.


So you say in the thread.

**** that don't lump me in with people that do that. My opinion may be harsh, but I don't support that. The issue I have is. <Insert 10 paragraphs of whatever your opinion is>

Also if you never did that why you so upset, if you didn't do it don't you think you would be 0% upset, and 100% Stand up and tell that person I am not a scumbag piece of **** that rapes women, wouldn't you 100% want to ram it down their throats that it totally supports your point that it is a term that just gets tossed out, wouldn't you want to let that person know you think they are a **** for saying that.

I know I would because Ive never raped anyone and I would be pretty ******* pissed off is someone lumped me into that filthy bunch of *****. Rapists are the scum of the earth. I would be bagging on that person for a while.

Not saying you did or didn't just sayin' it was weird.
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