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#302 Feb 15 2011 at 8:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Allegory wrote:
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I honestly don't know why this is hard for people to understand. Who is the provider of the education? The teacher. Are teachers better in private vs. public schools in general? No. If you take a teacher in public schools, and put them in private schools, do they become a better teacher? No. How does shuffling around the same educational providers possibly improve the students' education? No surprise, it doesn't.

The teacher is far from the only factor. Private schools have more freedom in curriculum and textbook selection. Having attended a preschool-8th grade Christian private school, I'm pretty sure public schools didn't have mandatory religion classes, in school chapel services, and creationist textbooks.

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#303REDACTED, Posted: Feb 15 2011 at 9:06 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
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#305 Feb 15 2011 at 9:12 AM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
Jophed,

I suppose there's something to be said for learning how to fight off all the little b*stards and b*tches not to mention the druggies or wanna be gansta's instead of worrying about reading all those books.

I don't think others in the discussion were assuming that 'private' meant solitary.

It must have been very lonely in your closet.
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#306REDACTED, Posted: Feb 15 2011 at 9:17 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Elinda,
#307 Feb 15 2011 at 9:21 AM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
Tirth,

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To be fair though, I don't think Tennessee's rates were all that outstanding in the not-so-distant past either.


TN's rates suck. But then again most of the kids outside of nashville, memphis, chatt, and knoxv are more agrarian than you might imagine. So i'm really less concerned with whether they know calculas and latin or not because they're never leaving the family farm, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Yeah, better that the mega-agrifood corporations make the decisions for your farmers crops. Wallstreet bankers will surely find them the best loan and investment deals. And of course with God being responsible for insuring the crops continue to grow abundantly each year there is no need for any science...only prayer.

Way to keep the farmer down V.
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#308 Feb 15 2011 at 9:24 AM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
Elinda,
I think if govn schools taught me anything it's that most people suck.

It's one of the very first things we learn.
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#309 Feb 15 2011 at 9:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
all the little b*stards and b*tches not to mention the druggies or wanna be gansta's

In a fully private system, where do you think these students are all going to wind up?

For that matter, you have a naively romantic notion of private schools if you think they're currently exempt from housing the same assortment of n'er-do-wells you find in public schools. They just have wealthier parents. One of the findings from the DC voucher program study was that parents rated their children's private schools as "safer" while the students rated them no safer than their previously attended public schools.

Edited, Feb 15th 2011 9:51am by Jophiel
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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Somebody needs to flip my burger at mcd's or dead.

heh
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#312 Feb 15 2011 at 10:34 AM Rating: Good
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#313 Feb 15 2011 at 12:39 PM Rating: Excellent
varusword75 wrote:
Tirth,

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To be fair though, I don't think Tennessee's rates were all that outstanding in the not-so-distant past either.


TN's rates suck. But then again most of the kids outside of nashville, memphis, chatt, and knoxv are more agrarian than you might imagine. So i'm really less concerned with whether they know calculas and latin or not because they're never leaving the family farm, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.


There are over six million people in Tennessee. There are around 79,000 working farms, according to the FSA. There is only 2.5 million people in Nashville/Memphis/Chattanooga/Knoxville. That leaves about 4 million people living outside of those metro areas.

Yeah, you're full of sh*t.

Edited, Feb 15th 2011 12:39pm by Belkira
#314REDACTED, Posted: Feb 15 2011 at 12:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tulip,
#315 Feb 15 2011 at 12:58 PM Rating: Good
varusword75 wrote:
Tulip,

Of course you fail to recognize that these families that grow and can their own vegetables, like us and our neighbors, aren't classified as farms.



As they shouldn't be. They are gardens. And the people living there have to be educated and get jobs to afford their houses, cars, and utilities.
#316REDACTED, Posted: Feb 15 2011 at 1:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tulip,
#317 Feb 15 2011 at 1:49 PM Rating: Excellent
varusword75 wrote:
Tulip,

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As they shouldn't be. They are gardens. And the people living there have to be educated and get jobs to afford their houses, cars, and utilities.


Unless of course the houses have been paid off for generations and you don't have car payments student loans or any other real expense besides basic utilities.

Once I pay my house off, hopefully within the next 4-5 yrs, I could easily grow my own food and sell it and live comfortably with what I make the rest of my life. H*ll I may do that when I'm through with insurance and buying things.


So you're saying that the ****** education rates are the people who have small "farms" like you do, their cars and houses are all paid off, and so they don't need any education?

Yeah. Like I said. You're full of ****.
#318 Feb 15 2011 at 1:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
So i'm really less concerned with whether they know calculas and latin or not because they're never leaving the family farm, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.


Not concerned about spelling of the subjects you don't know either, huh? Smiley: lol

Although it is curious: are you sure those are mandatory? In my (public) high school, calculus and Latin were not mandatory classes. You had to take 2 years of one language, but you had the choice of Latin, Spanish, or French. Calculus was an optional senior-level class; only those on an "advanced" track took it. Otherwise it was Algebra (freshman), Geometry (sophomore), Algebra II/Trigonometry (Junior), Pre-Calculus (Senior). Or you could double up in junior year and take calculus in senior. Or be motivated like I was and take AP Calculus in your final year (Calculus A AP test, not Calculus B).

Chatted with some old friends who still live in my home town recently and they said the school system has become progressively worse since our time in it. According to them it was because: A) More and more students added each year (by comparison, my senior class had 250 graduates; five years later they had 450); B) No additional aid to build new classrooms or hire new teachers; and C) it seems like an abundance of drugs snuck their way into the school. In my class we would hear about people doing cocaine from time to time; now it's common to walk into a bathroom between classes and see people smoking crack in the bathrooms. Could be exaggeration, of course, but it seems a lot worse now.

Ho hum, idle musings.

Edited, Feb 15th 2011 3:00pm by LockeColeMA
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#320 Feb 15 2011 at 2:20 PM Rating: Decent
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The teacher is far from the only factor. Private schools have more freedom in curriculum and textbook selection. Having attended a preschool-8th grade Christian private school, I'm pretty sure public schools didn't have mandatory religion classes, in school chapel services, and creationist textbooks.


While this is true, the teacher is by far the PRIMARY provider, and if the argument is that private schools provide a better curriculum and textbooks (which for you it doesn't seem to be), I doubt very much that there's anything to support that, or that it would be a substantial difference. Teachers can easily accommodate for dated texts these days... anyway, these aren't especially relevant arguments to the discussion at hand, I don't think.

@Kavekk: Well, aren't we pleased with ourselves? Fancy yourself the local insult comedian? I'll be sure to take notes when you actually say something that elicits a smirk. And I'm a good sport-- it's nothing to do with me being the target. Go **** a cactus? That's some inventive **** right there-- I bet nobody's ever said THAT on the internet before.

See, I'm not trying to be funny. I'm here for my amusement, not anyone else. But you are trying, and that's just sad. Keep on trollin', /b/tard. Or maybe spare me the off-topic non-arguments and try to actually say something worth reading. Hell, if you're going to try to be controversial, at least up the ante. It'd be a waste of time to ridicule you with the standard fare around here.

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Although it is curious: are you sure those are mandatory?


Calculus and Latin are not mandatory in TN, not at all. Advanced Algebra and Geometry are the highest level required math classes, last I checked, and Latin is rarely even offered. Most students satisfy their foreign language requirements with Spanish or French.
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#322 Feb 15 2011 at 2:35 PM Rating: Excellent
varusword75 wrote:
Tulip,

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So you're saying that the sh*tty education rates are the people who have small "farms" like you do, their cars and houses are all paid off, and so they don't need any education?


I'm saying they don't need govn indoctrination yes. Obviously you and I differ on how we define 'need'. All you need to survive is food and shelter.


No. This is what you said:

varusword75 wrote:
Tirth,

TN's rates suck. But then again most of the kids outside of nashville, memphis, chatt, and knoxv are more agrarian than you might imagine. So i'm really less concerned with whether they know calculas and latin or not because they're never leaving the family farm, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.



In essence, you're saying they don't need an education because they're not leaving the "family farm." Keep up, Varus.

Or just admit you're full of ****.
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Just as an aside; Both my parents grew up on family farms. On my Moms side one of her brothers, my uncle Bert, took over the farm....after he got himself a Phd in agriculture and taught at the local university for a couple years. As an aside to the aside; After a couple decades of running a hugely successful dairy farm (during the family farm crisis of the 70's/80's) he sold it about 8 years ago and made a killing.
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#324REDACTED, Posted: Feb 15 2011 at 3:08 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Elinda,
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#326 Feb 15 2011 at 3:31 PM Rating: Good
varusword75 wrote:
Tulip,

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In essence, you're saying they don't need an education because they're not leaving the "family farm."


Not the kind of education you're thinking of.


I'm thinking of a high school education.

Look, man, you're the one trying to pretend that the education rates in TN don't matter because we're heavy on the agriculture. This was in an effort to defend the insult you threw at NY with their rates. Just admit you're making **** up.
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