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You probably should have continued to read jophs post since he addressed your link before you even posted it.
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So you're just going to ignore it? That's too bad, I was waiting to see what you'd say too. It was bound to be interesting.
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I'm quite willing to believe home-schoolers do better academically. They might not be quite as well socially adjusted, as far as skills in making friends with strangers, but lets forget that. Homeschooled kids have parents with the ability and resources to be full time teachers. We still have to address the needs of kids whose parents can't afford a stay at home parent, and if they have one, don't have a parent who can teach well.
Varus's policies as a whole generally seem to have the outcome of taking us back to Victorian times, a time where the populous was astronomically more stratified in terms of wealth and opportunity, and the average lifespan was half the one today. And child death was commonplace, not rare.
Varus's policies as a whole generally seem to have the outcome of taking us back to Victorian times, a time where the populous was astronomically more stratified in terms of wealth and opportunity, and the average lifespan was half the one today. And child death was commonplace, not rare.
Aripyanfar wrote:
I'm quite willing to believe home-schoolers do better academically.
I'm not so much.
varusword75 wrote:
Jophed,
Yes I can and here's proof;
So where's yours?
http://www.hslda.org/docs/study/ray2009/default.asp
Edited, Feb 14th 2011 1:52pm by varusword75
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Well, no, you can't
Yes I can and here's proof;
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Surveying 11,739 homeschooling students and their families from all 50 states through 15 independent testing services, Homeschool Progress Report 2009: Academic Achievement and Demographics is the most comprehensive study of homeschool academic achievement to date. The results support the large existing body of research on homeschool academic achievement and show homeschoolers, on average, scoring 37 percentile points above public school students on standardized achievement tests. The study also found that the achievement gaps common to public schools were practically insignificant in the homeschool community. Conducted by Dr. Brian Ray of the National Home Education
So where's yours?
http://www.hslda.org/docs/study/ray2009/default.asp
Edited, Feb 14th 2011 1:52pm by varusword75
I can only assume that the lack of a solid study and analysis on non-public schooling is that there is no way to insure you have a comprehensive data set and/or a truly random sampling would be just to overly burdensome to take on.
Consequently, the studies that have been attempted are simply done using non-random sampling. Thanks for the perfect example varus.
I don't disagree that home-schoolers probably score better than public schooled kids on tests...man they better. Simply the definition of 'home-schooled' implies they have a home. Something that can't be said about all kids in school.
Still the whole idea that because home-schoolers do better than publicly schooled kids that all kids should get home-schooling is just fantastical. Have you ever bothered to crunch the numbers to see how much it would cost to insure that every child has a proper home with a proper parent/adult and the proper tools to insure a proper home education?....Obviously welfare disbursement amounts would have to be raised.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
varusword75 wrote:
Yes I can and here's proof
That's not proof. Besides completely ignoring private schools, homeschooling is an entirely self-selecting proposal. Only parents with adequate time on their hands, confidence in their ability to teach their children and interest in going through with it start homeschooling. I have no doubt that such parents can make good teachers for their children (hey, I bet we'd all love a class size of one to four kids per instructor) but that doesn't translate well across the rest of society.
What it doesn't do is prove that, absent the self-selection, that all students can be homeschooled with equal results. Either every parent needs to teach their own kids or else one parent will start teaching multiple families of children which is just a small private school.
The argument here is effectively the same as "Since a select group of amateur seamstresses* can currently make clothes for their family of better quality and less cost that they'd buy elsewhere, if we closed all clothing stores tomorrow and made every family responsible for sewing their own clothes, we'd all be better dressed."
*I was looking for a word for "those who sew" but "sewers" sure didn't sound right...
Edited, Feb 14th 2011 1:28pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
I'm quite willing to believe home-schoolers do better academically.
I'm not so much.
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
I'm quite willing to believe home-schoolers do better academically.
I'm not so much.
Sure, I believe the same. Usually, that tutor is someone paid to do so, not a parent, though.
Uglysasquatch wrote:
In theory, that's something home schooling offers. Sadly, it's people like vaurs who would home school though.
Exactly.
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
I'm quite willing to believe home-schoolers do better academically.
I'm not so much.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Elinda wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
I'm quite willing to believe home-schoolers do better academically.
I'm not so much.
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
varusword75 wrote:
Jophed,
Yes I can and here's proof;
So where's yours?
http://www.hslda.org/docs/study/ray2009/default.asp
Edited, Feb 14th 2011 1:52pm by varusword75
Quote:
Well, no, you can't
Yes I can and here's proof;
Quote:
Surveying 11,739 homeschooling students and their families from all 50 states through 15 independent testing services, Homeschool Progress Report 2009: Academic Achievement and Demographics is the most comprehensive study of homeschool academic achievement to date. The results support the large existing body of research on homeschool academic achievement and show homeschoolers, on average, scoring 37 percentile points above public school students on standardized achievement tests. The study also found that the achievement gaps common to public schools were practically insignificant in the homeschool community. Conducted by Dr. Brian Ray of the National Home Education
So where's yours?
http://www.hslda.org/docs/study/ray2009/default.asp
Edited, Feb 14th 2011 1:52pm by varusword75
When arguing about public vs private schools, you give a source about how homeschooled students test better than public school students?
Edit:missing quote, plus missed 6th page
Edited, Feb 14th 2011 3:24pm by Siesen
Yes the real answer is "Cheese!"
Pretty much our country is based upon a lie. The only reason our money is worth anything is because our goverments says/gurantee's that it is worth something. Back when I was a kid the country went off the silver standard. You can still find silver certificates floating around. Back then suppostly your money was based upon silver the goverment had in stock. Like the former gold standard. Pretty much the county might be better off if USA would back up the currency with cheese as a basis. Most smart people actually buy gold and hold it to keep a valuable item that no fake currency can have like our paper money.
Pretty much our country is based upon a lie. The only reason our money is worth anything is because our goverments says/gurantee's that it is worth something. Back when I was a kid the country went off the silver standard. You can still find silver certificates floating around. Back then suppostly your money was based upon silver the goverment had in stock. Like the former gold standard. Pretty much the county might be better off if USA would back up the currency with cheese as a basis. Most smart people actually buy gold and hold it to keep a valuable item that no fake currency can have like our paper money.
varusword75 wrote:
Ugly,
I'd certainly not let them attend any of the high schools I went to.
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I already mentioned that group by pointing out that varus is the type of parent who would keep his kids out of school.
I'd certainly not let them attend any of the high schools I went to.
Because look how well that worked out for you.
Har har har
varusword75 wrote:
So what you're saying is you have no evidence to support your bs. Got it.
My BS? You said that we should go to a private system because: "I can prove that govn schools are failing and that private schools and home schooled kids are heads and tails above their govn school counterparts." You've completely failed to show anything regarding private schools and your singular study regarding homeschooling isn't applicable towards education as a whole.
I can understand why you'd want to shift the burden onto me but life isn't always going to let you run away from your failures. It's best that you learn how to man up now.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
varusword75 wrote:
Nadenu,
Well I survived, literally. Of course I was a exceptional athlete on a top ranked high school b-ball team at a giant high school in texas where I played in front of thousands of people on a regular basis. So they really didn't care if I showed up for class much less learned anything as long as I could put up over 20 a night.
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Because look how well that worked out for you
Well I survived, literally. Of course I was a exceptional athlete on a top ranked high school b-ball team at a giant high school in texas where I played in front of thousands of people on a regular basis. So they really didn't care if I showed up for class much less learned anything as long as I could put up over 20 a night.
So you learned absolutely nothing in school except how to play ball, which also didn't do anything for you. Homeschooling and/or private school wouldn't have helped you either.
Yeah, varus is the dumb jock who didn't even make it to the pro leagues before ending as a washed-up small-time businessman. At least it's not a car dealership.
The alternative, though, seems to be to isolate kids and coddle them in swaddling clothes before unleashing them, innocent and naieve, unto the world when the come of age. But at least they'll have a quarter-million dollar education, that is if their parents can afford it.
The alternative, though, seems to be to isolate kids and coddle them in swaddling clothes before unleashing them, innocent and naieve, unto the world when the come of age. But at least they'll have a quarter-million dollar education, that is if their parents can afford it.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
varusword75 wrote:
Jophed,
You're the one defending a broken system. On the otherhand I have presented viable alternatives.
You're the one defending a broken system. On the otherhand I have presented viable alternatives.
lol.
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