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#230 Feb 14 2011 at 10:11 AM Rating: Excellent

Jophiel

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varusword75 wrote:

Then privatize.

You mean the method that encourages extracting the maximum amount of money from a customer for the minimum amount of return?

And, yeah, as Uglysasquatch noted, I was questioning the notion that the states would raise teacher pay/benefits without pressure from unions.

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#231 REDACTED, Posted: Feb 14 2011 at 10:17 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Elinda,

#232 Feb 14 2011 at 10:23 AM Rating: Excellent

Jophiel

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varusword75 wrote:

No I mean a method that encourages people to take an active role in educating their child. Generally when you have to actually pay for something you are a bit more invested in the results of said investment.

Or you just don't pay for it. Or are you requiring that everyone purchase something off the private market 'lest they be in violation of the law? ;)

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But glad to see you're all for continuing to support a failed system. Of course if these kids were actually educated they wouldn't make good little goose stepping liberals like they are now.

*Yawn* Try harder next time.

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#233 Feb 14 2011 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good

Elinda

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varusword75 wrote:

Elinda,

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If I accepted your premise that we need welfare to begin with you might have a point.

I'm willing to accommodate you and rephrase the question.

If we kick all 9-year-old rebels out of school do you think that will ultimately reduce or expand the prison population? (Assuming you accept the premise of incarceration)

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#234 REDACTED, Posted: Feb 14 2011 at 11:14 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Elinda,

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#236 Feb 14 2011 at 11:23 AM Rating: Excellent

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varusword75 wrote:

Jophed,

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Or you just don't pay for it.

In which case your child would end up digging ditches and flipping burgers.

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are you requiring that everyone purchase something off the private market 'lest they be in violation of the law?

Nope no requirement. If someone wants to educate their child go for it. That's your responsibility as a parent. If you don't think your child needs to learn to read and write so be it. But they're not going to get any govn welfare for housing or food. I'm guessing when these bums and brats get real hungry they'll work or simply die off; a win win either way.

Or they'll just break into your house, shoot you and take your money.

Win win!

#237 Feb 14 2011 at 11:30 AM Rating: Excellent

Jophiel

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varusword75 wrote:

Nope no requirement. If someone wants to educate their child go for it. That's your responsibility as a parent. If you don't think your child needs to learn to read and write so be it. But they're not going to get any govn welfare for housing or food. I'm guessing when these bums and brats get real hungry they'll work or simply die off; a win win either way.

Tee-hee. You're adorably naive. Luckily, people figured out that idiots like you are, well, idiots back in the 19th century.

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#238 Feb 14 2011 at 11:35 AM Rating: Good

Elinda

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varusword75 wrote:

Elinda,

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If we kick all 9-year-old rebels out of school do you think that will ultimately reduce or expand the prison population?

What is all this 9yr old rebel garbage? And again I don't accept your premise that if troubled 9yr olds were removed from govn schools they would turn to a life of crime.

A better question is what did we do before there was govn education/indoctrination?

Nine was just an age I picked. That's about the age the average kid starts not liking school.

The US has always had public education.

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The first American public school was authorized on January 2, 1643 by the Town of Dedham in the Massachusetts Bay Colony â€” nearly 150 years before the establishment of the United States.

If 'we' is referring to Americans, we've always had public education.

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#239 REDACTED, Posted: Feb 14 2011 at 11:42 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Joph,

#240 REDACTED, Posted: Feb 14 2011 at 11:45 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Elinda,

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#242 Feb 14 2011 at 11:52 AM Rating: Excellent

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Grats! Now, it's about time you said something bannable, wouldn't you agree?

Edited, Feb 14th 2011 12:52pm by Eske

#243 Feb 14 2011 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good

Elinda

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varusword75 wrote:

Joph,

Yes I get that you can't actually disprove anything I've said so you have to resort to name calling.

But you know what? I can prove that govn schools are failing and that private schools and home schooled kids are heads and tails above their govn school counterparts.

Then prove it. First though, you'll have to define 'failing'. Government schools have educated the bulk of our citizenship over time. If the school system failed I'd think the country itself would have failed.

Honestly, I was trying to do a paper on the issue back 3-4 years. I wanted to specifically look at over-all completion rates (non-complete, HS diploma, GED) over-all rates of those continuing on to post-secondary education and how well they did. I couldn't find any viable studies so ended up doing the project on something else. There are a few studies that look at performance measures from various standardized tests that have come and gone. But those don't tell much of the story.

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#244 Feb 14 2011 at 12:12 PM Rating: Excellent

Uglysasquatch

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varusword75 wrote:

And again I don't accept your premise that if troubled 9yr olds were removed from govn schools they would turn to a life of crime.

Of course not. Why would anyone think that troubled kids with even more free time on their hands would lead to them getting involved with things they shouldn't be? Ridiculous of anyone to think that they would.

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#245 Feb 14 2011 at 12:13 PM Rating: Excellent

Elinda

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varusword75 wrote:

Elinda,

Sorry sweety the US has not always had govn schools as we know them today.

Yes you're right, Honey. Today's schools are not the same as the schools from old. They have light bulbs, indoor plumbing, cafeteria's and even the internets now.

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#246 Feb 14 2011 at 12:14 PM Rating: Good

Elinda

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Uglysasquatch wrote:

varusword75 wrote:

And again I don't accept your premise that if troubled 9yr olds were removed from govn schools they would turn to a life of crime.

Of course not. Why would anyone think that troubled kids with even more free time on their hands would lead to them getting involved with things they shouldn't be? Ridiculous of anyone to think that they would.

Oh no, I'm not talking about a troubled nine-year-old. I'm talking about an average nine-year-old.

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#247 Feb 14 2011 at 12:26 PM Rating: Good

Uglysasquatch

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Elinda wrote:

Uglysasquatch wrote:

varusword75 wrote:

And again I don't accept your premise that if troubled 9yr olds were removed from govn schools they would turn to a life of crime.

Of course not. Why would anyone think that troubled kids with even more free time on their hands would lead to them getting involved with things they shouldn't be? Ridiculous of anyone to think that they would.

Oh no, I'm not talking about a troubled nine-year-old. I'm talking about an average nine-year-old.

I know you are. I was mocking varus who took it to an even more retarded level when he specified troubled.

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#248 REDACTED, Posted: Feb 14 2011 at 12:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Elinda,

#249 Feb 14 2011 at 12:43 PM Rating: Good

Elinda

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varusword75 wrote:

Elinda,

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Today's schools are not the same as the schools from old. They have light bulbs, indoor plumbing, cafeteria's and even the internets now.

We may have light bulbs, indoor plumbing, and cafeterias but we also have most of the kids passing not able to read or write or even do simple math.

When over half the kids in all major urban centers drop out I'd say that's quite a telling sign that govn schools have failed.

I'm not going to argue that our school system has seen better days, but having public school verse not having public school isn't worth debating. Pretty much every working civilization ever has recognized the importance of education it's populace.

No Child Left Behind, while it's intention was good (I think) really tore into the continuity of existing educational strategies.

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#250 Feb 14 2011 at 12:45 PM Rating: Excellent

Jophiel

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varusword75 wrote:

Yes I get that you can't actually disprove anything I've said so you have to resort to name calling.

You're not looking to have an intelligent debate on education, you're looking for your daily reason to cry and say "radical liberals" a lot. Garbage in, garbage out.

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But you know what? I can prove that govn schools are failing and that private schools and home schooled kids are heads and tails above their govn school counterparts.

Well, no, you can't. Because in all the tests where public school students were admitted en masse into private schools rather than private schools screening for the kids they want, the results have been less than stellar. Without screening, students test at comparable rates regardless of which school they're in.

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