So, how about Egypt and Tunisia?Follow

Honestly, what's happening in Egypt isn't Obama's fault. It's not Bush's fault. It's not Clinton's fault or Bush Sr's fault or the fault of anyone except Mubarak and the Egyptian government. America has been on Mubarak to reform in various areas for years and years.

Not so much. Really the US couldn't care less who is in charge of Egypt so long as they maintain order around the Suez. So long as that happens and transport isn't impacted, the leader of Egypt could rape children on live television 15 hours a day, and the US would do nothing.

The spice must flow, that's really all that matters.

We need to let go of this idiotic notion that the US somehow acts from an unending well of benevolence, and that all of our crimes against the rest of the world are somehow well intentioned errors in judgment that just didn't work out. Human life is *utterly irrelevant* to US foreign policy. Virtually nothing could be less important. You're not a child, you have to be able to conclude this from the established facts of the last 200 years. I know you believe that the specific invisible man in the sky your parents informed you controlled everything is real, but really, this is a whole new level of naivete.

The only time the US is *ever* in favor of reform is when we calculate it would increase stability. It's really that simple. Foreign policy is just the calculating of what situations result in the larges advantage to the US. As it should be, of course. The idea that anyone cares for a millisecond if that best situation leads to rape victims being stoned in a public square is ludicrous.

I know it's ever-so-important to you to be able to sound smart but did you stop reading before you got to "We've brushed it off because Egypt was willing to work with the US and we needed a powerful partner in the region to offset nations like Iran" or did you just decide to ignore it because then you couldn't make your "We don't care because US foreign policy is all about the US! Grrr!" remarks?

Nah, I've just met Smash in person so it's impossible for me to take his rants seriously :D

Right, right. I think you're worried about having your little rants not revered. Shocker.

Obviously, because foreign policy is made by an array of people that contrive to work as a single, monolithic entity. The US is a perfect, sterile machine where the desires and whims of the individuals that comprise it have been entirely subsumed into a doctrine of self-preservation. These people are cogs, turning in unison.

To dumb it down for you, I'll take out the irony. Groups don't have intentions. People aren't selflessly committed to the motherland, and so the sum of their actions 'on its behalf' will be dissimilar to those of an amoral survivor.

Edited, Feb 6th 2011 8:15pm by Kavekk

uh yeah dude that's not what i said

i'd say the key flaw is that you're looking at things as a country (single entity) acting in its own best interests rather than people acting in their best interests within a system - for example, politicians will usually make foreign policy decisions likely to get them re-elected, civil servants ones that are likely to get them promoted

but certainly to say the individual prejudices and beliefs of those in power have no effect is stupid

also

your argument was absurdly reductionist dude get over it you got punked move on with your life man

jesus

uh yeah dude that's not what i said

Yes, fucknut, it's exactly what you said. Maybe it's not what you intended and you're not bright enough to communicate more effectively, that's not for me to determine.,


i'd say the key flaw is that you're looking at things as a country (single entity) acting in its own best interests rather than people acting in their best interests within a system


The system is the entity you fucking lotus eating naif.


- for example, politicians will usually make foreign policy decisions likely to get them re-elected, civil servants ones that are likely to get them promoted


Really? The actions people in the system will take aren't determined by their personal morals, but instead by how the system functions? WHAT A FUCKING REVELATION! Thank god someone hadn't posted that before and you had managed to drag yourself out of your drool puddle long enough to smash the keyboard with your balls a few times, arguing the opposite.

That would be embarrassing, wouldn't it, Cleetus?


but certainly to say the individual prejudices and beliefs of those in power have no effect is stupid


Well, that settles it, then. What the fuck? This is really it?


your argument was absurdly reductionist dude get over it you got punked move on with your life man

jesus

It amuses me to see people attempting to stretch their vocabulary awkwardly. Moreso when Hannah does it, but still makes me smile when barely educated adolescents do it. Adorable.



Edited, Feb 6th 2011 4:13pm by Smasharoo

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lotus-eating

He i either calling him drugged out, or stating he is content living in luxury, given the former and latter string of juvenile insults I would say it is option 1.

No, it's the position you fabricated for me because you wanted to attack something rather than defend the things you said. My second post is consistent with the first.



That's not what you argued, is it?

You argued this:



Looking pretty fucking grim for you, isn't it?

That view is not consistent with politicians and civil servants making decisions out of self interest, is it?

This is the bit where I insult you a lot.

The substantial truth of the matter is that you're stupid as fuck. You're fucked in the head, and I guess if this were a film you would be compensated with some kind of genius - because hey, everyone loves an obnoxious savant. I guess the bright side is that, bad as your life is, at least it's not a cliche. But it's cold comfort, really, isn't it, when your greatest achievment is frying a hard-drive jammed with home-made horse-**** before the cops knocked the door down? You look in the mirror and even you can't help but laugh at your pudgy little face. You make yourself sick, sometimes - twice a night, in fact, but the pounds just won't drop off, will they? But hey, you've still got your brain, right? You're such a fucking genius.

What?

Nexa

It's easier to make fun of people when you pretend they are fat, lazy, perverts.

You can get your own tea and hot water bottle from now on.

Nexa

The point is that it punishes acting in the country's interests, whatever that even means, also. The US does not act in its own interests as a monolithic and continous entity. Nor does it act perfectly logically.

Face it, you made the same mistake as the cretins that talk about parliamentary intention. If you never accept that you got punked, man... well, how are you going to move on?

You know, from the punking you got.



Fuck, dude. This is just embarassing. Keep your **** to yourself.

Also, no offence, but you look fucking hilarious. You should make something of it.

And honestly, what is this? You're saying I use the same stuf all the time? You recycle your material more than the fucking green party. You've been using the same generic constructions for years. Even the farce of the thing can scarcely salvage it anymore.