How many times you think the pres said that in the State of the Union?
What made sense, what didn't?
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Elinda wrote:
How many times you think the pres said that in the State of the Union?
What made sense, what didn't?
What made sense, what didn't?
According to the text of the speech itself, twice. One was obviously about immigrants who come to America for a first-rate education and then are sent back home to compete against us. The other was obviously about the tax code favoring those with the best lawyers and saddling the rest of the population and industry with higher taxes as a result.
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/usa/Remarks-of-President-Barack-Obama--As-Prepared-for-Delivery-114612049.html
Now that we've identified the problem, let's stop letting people in for "school" and impose a 15% flat tax across the board on every single resident of the U.S. that gets paid.
Done and done and it makes perfect sense.
Done and done and it makes perfect sense.
TBH I only watched a bit, to me it was more or less the same drivel that has been spoken about in pieces over the last several months. I don't believe there will be any bipartisan approach on anything because frankly both parties are full of idiots. I don't believe spending will be reigned in, but this is not an Obama or Dem issue, but more so an economic/social issue built up for the last 20-30 years. I just do not believe my neighbors to the south have any "good" government. The hill is so plagued with corruption on all accounts the voices of the people don't mean jack all to the guy who gets a kickback from <insert company here> for promoting or declining policies that affect said company.
I wanted to watch it because I frankly like Obama as an orator. His speeches are usually very captivating, he is truly gifted with a silver tongue. But frankly I was just disinterested because the issue isn't with Obama, or Dems, or Repubs. The issue is with the corporate control of government. Companies are so disgustingly embedded into politics now it is redundant who you vote for, the only winners are the corporations. God bless Capitalism it clearly has shown its true side.
(don't worry in Canada out government bends over for the people with money too. The good thing here is we KNOW our politicians are all corrupt ********.)
I wanted to watch it because I frankly like Obama as an orator. His speeches are usually very captivating, he is truly gifted with a silver tongue. But frankly I was just disinterested because the issue isn't with Obama, or Dems, or Repubs. The issue is with the corporate control of government. Companies are so disgustingly embedded into politics now it is redundant who you vote for, the only winners are the corporations. God bless Capitalism it clearly has shown its true side.
(don't worry in Canada out government bends over for the people with money too. The good thing here is we KNOW our politicians are all corrupt ********.)
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#5gbaji,
Posted: Jan 25 2011 at 9:52 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) There's also a bit of "boy who cried wolf" problem with Obama calling for bi-partisanship. He said the same words for two years straight, and his party turned around and largely left the GOP out of any planning or directional decisions and pursued an agenda they knew the GOP would oppose 100%.
I remember when he was talking to the GOP and listed off a dozen or more specific items they had suggested that had been incorporated into the healthcare bill. Those don't count though, because the GOP refused to actively compromise, preferring to filibuster and so obviously there was no bipartisan effort at all.
Edited, Jan 25th 2011 10:05pm by Xsarus
Edited, Jan 25th 2011 10:05pm by Xsarus
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gbaji wrote:
There's also a bit of "boy who cried wolf" problem with Obama calling for bi-partisanship. He said the same words for two years straight, and his party turned around and largely left the GOP out of any planning or directional decisions and pursued an agenda they knew the GOP would oppose 100%.
So far, "bi-partisan" when spoken by Obama seems to mean "you guys do whatever we want without complaint". So it's kinda meaningless when he says it again.
So far, "bi-partisan" when spoken by Obama seems to mean "you guys do whatever we want without complaint". So it's kinda meaningless when he says it again.
It must be easy to sit back and refuse to play with others, then cry that they end up not playing with you...
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
I remember when he was talking to the GOP and listed off a dozen or more specific items they had suggested that had been incorporated into the healthcare bill. Those don't count though, because the GOP refused to actively compromise, preferring to filibuster and so obviously there was no bipartisan effort at all.
The bill itself was very much like the GOP effort in the early 90's and close to Romney's law in Mass. Amusingly enough, Gbaji supported Romney for President last cycle.
Ryan sort of pussied out on his response. A lot of words about needing to cut things and not a breath to say what he's going to cut. I'm guessing the GOP didn't think that part would play well because Ryan's had plenty of words to say about what he thinks needs cutting so it's not as though he hasn't come up with any ideas yet.
Edited, Jan 25th 2011 10:12pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
gbaji wrote:
There's also a bit of "boy who cried wolf" problem with Obama calling for bi-partisanship. He said the same words for two years straight, and his party turned around and largely left the GOP out of any planning or directional decisions and pursued an agenda they knew the GOP would oppose 100%.
So far, "bi-partisan" when spoken by Obama seems to mean "you guys do whatever we want without complaint". So it's kinda meaningless when he says it again.
So far, "bi-partisan" when spoken by Obama seems to mean "you guys do whatever we want without complaint". So it's kinda meaningless when he says it again.
It must be easy to sit back and refuse to play with others, then cry that they end up not playing with you...
pot kettle kettle pot and all that. I applaud the notion, but the practice both parties clearly do not want to find middle ground. Partisanship is terrible in the US, and imho is what is really dragging your great nation down.
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I remember when he was talking to the GOP and listed off a dozen or more specific items they had suggested that had been incorporated into the healthcare bill. Those don't count though, because the GOP refused to actively compromise, preferring to filibuster and so obviously there was no bipartisan effort at all.
No ****, and there were a number of specific GOP suggestions that he mentioned implementing in the address, but I turned it to FOX afterwards to see what they were spouting, and sure enough, he's still the devil. No matter what political bipartisanship efforts he attempts, it's, "Nuh uh-- we don't want that anymore," or completely downplayed.
I'm not saying the GOP should drop down and worship him for actually utilizing their suggestions, but it'd be nice to see and end to the demonization of "his" policies.
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Posted: Jan 26 2011 at 8:25 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yes we can win the future! lol
No real discussion here yet on the rebuttals either. Paul Ryan gave the official one, but Michele Bachmann also gave one, apparently annoying many Republicans who don't want to show any disconnect between the majority of the party and the Tea Party faction. I thought TIME's blogger analysis was pretty spot-on:
Interestingly, the only major network to show Bachmann's rebuttal live and complete was CNN. Anyone else catch them?
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Both Ryan and Bachmann relitigated the last two years – the stimulus, health care reform, new regulations -- sometimes with a brittle edge. Looking forward, they focused solely on slashing spending and shrinking the deficit; they ventured into no new policies or issues. Neither detailed how balancing the books might be done: no mentions were made of entitlement or defense spending, by far the biggest pieces in the budget. They did not look at places where Democrats and Republicans could find common ground. By contrast Obama sounded conciliatory; he named a range of areas where he hoped to work with Republicans from Afghanistan to reforming medical malpractice to clean energy technology. Obama said the word “forward†five times and only addressed his record of the past two years once, when he made the case why not to repeal health care reform. By comparison, Ryan never uttered the word “forward†and Bachmann said it only once. Granted, sweeping and visionary rhetoric is hard to pull off in a short rebuttal, but both speeches focused so intently on budget issues it was hard not to come off as one-noted.
Ryan was lauded by the cable talking heads – and this is a sampling of from CNN, MSNBC and Fox from throughout the day -- as the “establishment†responder, as “one of the smartest guys in Congress†and some one who could “turn the page from George W. Bush's fiscal irresponsibility.†He was more willing to cede ground, and sounded more mature for it. “Our debt is the product of acts by many presidents and many Congresses over many years,†he said. “No one person or party is responsible for it.†That said, he wasn't short of red meat. “It's no coincidence that trust in government is at an all-time low now that the size of government is at an all-time high,†he said. “The President and the Democratic Leadership have shown, by their actions, that they believe government needs to increase its size and its reach, its price tag and its power.â€
Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/01/26/the-gops-two-headed-sotu-response/#ixzz1C9THUCNo
Ryan was lauded by the cable talking heads – and this is a sampling of from CNN, MSNBC and Fox from throughout the day -- as the “establishment†responder, as “one of the smartest guys in Congress†and some one who could “turn the page from George W. Bush's fiscal irresponsibility.†He was more willing to cede ground, and sounded more mature for it. “Our debt is the product of acts by many presidents and many Congresses over many years,†he said. “No one person or party is responsible for it.†That said, he wasn't short of red meat. “It's no coincidence that trust in government is at an all-time low now that the size of government is at an all-time high,†he said. “The President and the Democratic Leadership have shown, by their actions, that they believe government needs to increase its size and its reach, its price tag and its power.â€
Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/01/26/the-gops-two-headed-sotu-response/#ixzz1C9THUCNo
Interestingly, the only major network to show Bachmann's rebuttal live and complete was CNN. Anyone else catch them?
varusword75 wrote:
So I ask again why in the h*ll should the GOP cooperate in the least with the Dems?
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varusword75 wrote:
Yes we can win the future! lol
You couldn't make this sh*t up if you tried.
You couldn't make this sh*t up if you tried.
Alma wrote:
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varusword75 wrote:
Kachi,
[quote] I say we do everything in our power to sabotauge every actual effort they make to improve the economy.
[quote] I say we do everything in our power to sabotauge every actual effort they make to improve the economy.
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Interestingly, the only major network to show Bachmann's rebuttal live and complete was CNN. Anyone else catch them?
I read Ryan's speech but didn't watch it. From what I hear, he presented it well enough (no Bobby Jindal moment). Skipped out on Bachmann entirely since her's didn't interest me aside from the "schism" angle. Which I don't think is all that but then I didn't watch it either.
As I said, Ryan was mum on any actual cuts and his speech was "Times are hard, smaller government ahoy, yup-yup" repeated over and over. I'd have been more impressed if he gave a few specifics since he's eager to discussing slashing entitlements and other spending in every other venue. Not mentioning any last night sounded like cowardice to me.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
varusword75 wrote:
Elinda,
Would it matter if we did?
By the time the chosen ones finished no one will believe a word any dem has to say and with a bad economy it's never good for an incumbent to be up for re-election.
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Don't get caught.
Would it matter if we did?
By the time the chosen ones finished no one will believe a word any dem has to say and with a bad economy it's never good for an incumbent to be up for re-election.
Alma wrote:
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varusword75 wrote:
That's cute. How many czars has the chosen one appointed?
Fun fact: Scalia just told the Tea Party Caucus folks at their little Constitution class that Obama's czars were most likely constitutional (he refused to elaborate much more in case the issue ever comes up to the SCotUS).
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
varusword75 wrote:
Ugly,
That's cute. How many czars has the chosen one appointed?
And if doubling the unemployeement and underemployeement rate white increasing govn control while destroying the economy is your idea of improving America then maybe you should move. Please do consider it.
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They're not interested in improving America, they're solely interested in absolute power.
That's cute. How many czars has the chosen one appointed?
And if doubling the unemployeement and underemployeement rate white increasing govn control while destroying the economy is your idea of improving America then maybe you should move. Please do consider it.
Canada is improving though, and our government works together. Sometimes there's no compromise, but most often, there is.
The GOP allowed the Healthcare Bill to pass as it is. They could've had input and "lessened" the damage and then repealed it after gaining control of Congress and the Senate, but they instead, decided to allow the bill to pass, hoping to use it to bolster support and create an absolute power for themselves in Washington. They're jealous of the power the Dems had gained. It's obvious. Terrible really though, coming from a group of people who insist that everyone should reap what they sow and instead are trying to do nothing to get everything.
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not if you let the tea party gain control of the GOP.
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varusword75 wrote:
Xarus,
The tea party is the GOP.
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not if you let the tea party gain control of the GOP.
The tea party is the GOP.
Xsarus's comment can be taken two ways:
Obvious: The Tea Party is a polarized lightning rod, and independents will be turned off by the crazies. Some gains may be made, but then you'll have candidates like Angle or O'Donnell that make independents balk.
Less obvious: If the Tea Party is actually only interested in fiscal responsibility and not social issues, as many member claim, they have no reason to overturn Roe V. Wade. It infringes individual rights, affects industry, and has no direct fiscal benefit. In other words, Varus thinks the Tea Party are liars. Or, they are liars. One of those.
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