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They weren't. Perhaps you should study the history leading up to the formation of the nation of Israel instead of just looking at the last 20-30 years. Just a suggestion...



You get that this is more or less what the original nation of Israel was? It failed (literally the day the UK stopped militarily supporting it) because every single one of the neighbor Arab states invaded in order to turn the whole thing into an Arab state. They didn't want to "share", so they tried to take the whole thing for themselves.

The Palestinians got caught in the middle. But the primary source of their misery is not Israel, but the states of Syria, Jordan, and Egypt who basically used them to fight a war and then screwed them over big time when things didn't go their way. And then, they screwed them over even more during the peace agreement which followed. The reason Palestinians live in refuge camps is because those Arab nations didn't keep their promises to them. One can argue that they did this specifically to create an underclass which would be viewed with sadness by ignorant westerners and help strengthen the Arab position.

It works. Doesn't it? Put a group of people into misery and play on western sensibilities for the underdog. Brilliant strategy. Perhaps you should stop and look at who put them in those camps and why before you leap to conclusions though. It's not as clean cut as you likely think.

I suppose I'm not technically an export.

Strange, since that's exactly the response it garners. I mean, think about it. Why would a state utterly dependent on western support for its existence go out of its way to place a bunch of people into miserable conditions which they know will make them out to be bad guys in the eyes of the very people they need support from? We're not talking about China, or the USSR, or various smaller countries, which go out of their way to alienate others and play on the "we're bad guys, don't mess with us, and we don't really care what you think about us" card here. It kinda makes no sense for Israel to choose to do this, if they had a realistic choice.



Lol. Flunked history I see. They "had no place to go" because as part of a settlement deal between those Arab nations who attempted to wipe Israel off in the first place, both sides agreed to swap people so as to reduce internal tensions. Jews left Syria, Jordan, and Egypt, giving up their property and businesses on the promise of land and opportunity in Israel. In return those countries agreed to take the Palestinians who choose to leave Isreal and provide them the property and land left by the Jews.

When the Jews arrived in Israel, the Israelis kept their promise to them. But when the Palestinians arrived at the borders of Jordan, Syria, and Egypt, they were told "oh. So sorry. No room. You can camp out here on the border if you want though". By doing this they created the camps, not the Israelis.

The entire "right of return" is based on the Palestinian argument that the property they left should be returned to them since they didn't get the deal they were promised. But it wasn't Israel that screwed them over. The lands they should be demanding were the ones promised to them by the Arab states but which were never given to them.

The refugee camps were actually created in large part by the UN, which didn't want to actually enforce the agreement, so they just piled humanitarian aid to those living on the border areas. In time, those became semi-permanent settlements, which have become warzones since then.

So yeah. Sucks for the Palestinians who took the deal. But to place the whole blame (or even more than a tiny minority) on Israel is incredibly unfair and represent a skewed view of the history of this whole conflict. Yet you eat up the sad story like it's candy or something. Strange. It's not like it's hard to research the actual history, but it's amazing how many people simply refuse to learn about it, and when it's pushed right in front of them manage to "forget" the next time the subject comes up.

Strange, isn't it?

Edited, Jan 19th 2011 7:29pm by gbaji

What nuclear program, they haven't admitted to anything... /shifty eyes

I think you're absolutely correct in your explanation of the Law of Return in Israel as it relates to Jews and going to Israel.

Unfortunately, that's not what gbaji was referring to, so it was sort of pointless. Now, don't get me wrong, I like calling him a dolt as much as the next guy, but the "right of return" position is exactly as gbaji explained it and totally separate from this Law of Return you reference.

Oops.

Says the guy who has a Dr. Who reference for a forum name? >_>;;

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