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Noah got the chicken pox vaccine. And I hate it. He should have gotten chicken pox and suffered like I did!! He's a weenie! Kids these days...
I vividly remember having chicken pox, even though I was probably three years old at the time. I also have a scar right next to my left eye from it. Damned lucky I wasn't half blinded.
I don't remember this but my mom apparently had me in a bathtub of cool water for most of one night trying to keep the fever down.
But yeah, don't vaccinate your kids. It's just a nuisance disease, really.
I don't remember this but my mom apparently had me in a bathtub of cool water for most of one night trying to keep the fever down.
But yeah, don't vaccinate your kids. It's just a nuisance disease, really.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
The CDC wrote:
In addition, about 1 in 10 unvaccinated children who get the disease will have a complication from chickenpox serious enough to visit a health-care provider. These complications include infected skin lesions, other infections, dehydration from vomiting or diarrhea, or more serious complications such as pneumonia and encephalitis.
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Serious complications from chickenpox include bacterial infections which can involve many sites of the body including the skin, tissues under the skin, bone, lungs (pneumonia), joints, and blood. Other serious complications are due directly to infection with the varicella-zoster virus and include viral pneumonia, bleeding problems, and infection of the brain (encephalitis). Many people are not aware that before a vaccine was available approximately 10,600 persons were hospitalized and 100 to 150 died as a result of chickenpox in the U.S. every year.
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Serious complications from chickenpox include bacterial infections which can involve many sites of the body including the skin, tissues under the skin, bone, lungs (pneumonia), joints, and blood. Other serious complications are due directly to infection with the varicella-zoster virus and include viral pneumonia, bleeding problems, and infection of the brain (encephalitis). Many people are not aware that before a vaccine was available approximately 10,600 persons were hospitalized and 100 to 150 died as a result of chickenpox in the U.S. every year.
It's like the flu. No big deal unless you're one of the folks who suffer severe complications or die from it each year.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
The CDC wrote:
In addition, about 1 in 10 unvaccinated children who get the disease will have a complication from chickenpox serious enough to visit a health-care provider. These complications include infected skin lesions, other infections, dehydration from vomiting or diarrhea, or more serious complications such as pneumonia and encephalitis.
[...]
Serious complications from chickenpox include bacterial infections which can involve many sites of the body including the skin, tissues under the skin, bone, lungs (pneumonia), joints, and blood. Other serious complications are due directly to infection with the varicella-zoster virus and include viral pneumonia, bleeding problems, and infection of the brain (encephalitis). Many people are not aware that before a vaccine was available approximately 10,600 persons were hospitalized and 100 to 150 died as a result of chickenpox in the U.S. every year.
[...]
Serious complications from chickenpox include bacterial infections which can involve many sites of the body including the skin, tissues under the skin, bone, lungs (pneumonia), joints, and blood. Other serious complications are due directly to infection with the varicella-zoster virus and include viral pneumonia, bleeding problems, and infection of the brain (encephalitis). Many people are not aware that before a vaccine was available approximately 10,600 persons were hospitalized and 100 to 150 died as a result of chickenpox in the U.S. every year.
It's like the flu. No big deal unless you're one of the folks who suffer severe complications or die from it each year.
So glad I would only have to die from it once then.
That being said I never had the chicken pox, even though both my brothers had it and majority of my friends had it. Although I could have had it but not in a crazy break out sense like many people get who knows. As for vaccines I used to not believe in them, now I 100% do not believe in them. I got the FLU vaccination for the first time ever this year and still got the Flu, and unlike other flu battles this one lasted for nearly a full week.
I will never get a non polio/tetanus shot again, I think they are a gimmick and even though they are free to me a waste of money. I would rather see my taxes spent on more doctors/nurses to reduce wait times in medical centers instead of clogging them up to give vaccines that seemingly are ineffective. I will stick to my natural remedies like weed, mushrooms, and whiskey to get over pain/colds/flus the same as I have done for the last 10 years.
TLDR, I think vaccinations for most things are stupid. Except for those that have been shown to work 100% of the time (like polio/tetanus).
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rdmcandie wrote:
I got the FLU vaccination for the first time ever this year and still got the Flu, and unlike other flu battles this one lasted for nearly a full week.
Influenza vaccines are specific to particular strains. Since the strains keep changing and multiple strains exist at any given time, the best they can do is try to predict which strains will be the prominent ones in a given year and develop vaccines for those.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Funfact: They can vaccinate against the common cold as well. Unfortunately, there are over 200 strands of the common cold and they all last only a little over a week in a normal person, making immunization far from cost-effective.
As for the purported autism link, it was always viewed under scrutiny by the scientific community. Unfortunately the media likes to take health studies and run with them, frequently exaggerating or misinterpreting the findings or the veracity thereof.
As for the purported autism link, it was always viewed under scrutiny by the scientific community. Unfortunately the media likes to take health studies and run with them, frequently exaggerating or misinterpreting the findings or the veracity thereof.
Kachi wrote:
Funfact: They can vaccinate against the common cold as well. Unfortunately, there are over 200 strands of the common cold and they all last only a little over a week in a normal person, making immunization far from cost-effective.
As for the purported autism link, it was always viewed under scrutiny by the scientific community. Unfortunately the media likes to take health studies and run with them, frequently exaggerating or misinterpreting the findings or the veracity thereof.
As for the purported autism link, it was always viewed under scrutiny by the scientific community. Unfortunately the media likes to take health studies and run with them, frequently exaggerating or misinterpreting the findings or the veracity thereof.
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"Life on other planets has been proven!" referring to the whole thing on Titan.
Well, "life" on moons has been proven. A dude sneezed on a camera we left up there during one of the apollo missions to our moon & on a subsequent mission 3 years later, they brought it back, & the bacteria (which coincidentally to this thread, was the common cold) came back to "life".
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Omegavegeta wrote:
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"Life on other planets has been proven!" referring to the whole thing on Titan.
Well, "life" on moons has been proven. A dude sneezed on a camera we left up there during one of the apollo missions to our moon & on a subsequent mission 3 years later, they brought it back, & the bacteria (which coincidentally to this thread, was the common cold) came back to "life".
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
That's what the Asylum gets for decrying Wikipedia as unacceptable proof.
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Nadenu wrote:
Noah got the chicken pox vaccine. And I hate it. He should have gotten chicken pox and suffered like I did!! He's a weenie! Kids these days...
I got to skip swim lessons all summer when I was eight with the pox!
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
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I got the FLU vaccination for the first time ever this year and still got the Flu, and unlike other flu battles this one lasted for nearly a full week.
like joph said, the Flu constantly changes and as there are so many strains, it's impossible to make a vaccine to cover every single potential strain.
I had a mild case of the Chicken pox when I was 2, but then got it again at 7. That's still pretty vivid in my mind because my brother turned into a connect the dots human body 1 hour before my birthday party. My mom had to go out and tell all of my guests parents and all but one left the kids at my house. Half of my second grade class was out with the Chicken Pox and when we all came back we enjoyed comparing our "Battle scars".
I got it one more time when I was 19. It took a long time for the Drs to diagnose that thats what it was since I had already had it twice and supposedly once you have it you should be immune. But the marks were the same, I hadnt changed laundry detergent, perfume, or anything else. So yup, Chicken Pox 3 times. yay for being a freak of nature
For that matter, people have a tendency to take any case of undiagnosed illness and call it "the flu". From most to least likely, I'd guess:
(1) He was sick with something else and assumed it was influenza
(2) He caught an unprotected strain of influenza
(3) He caught a protected strain of influenza despite the vaccination
Number (3) definitely happens but you don't typically get a worse than usual case of the illness as the result of your body having an insufficient vaccination.
(1) He was sick with something else and assumed it was influenza
(2) He caught an unprotected strain of influenza
(3) He caught a protected strain of influenza despite the vaccination
Number (3) definitely happens but you don't typically get a worse than usual case of the illness as the result of your body having an insufficient vaccination.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
rdmcandie wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
The CDC wrote:
In addition, about 1 in 10 unvaccinated children who get the disease will have a complication from chickenpox serious enough to visit a health-care provider. These complications include infected skin lesions, other infections, dehydration from vomiting or diarrhea, or more serious complications such as pneumonia and encephalitis.
[...]
Serious complications from chickenpox include bacterial infections which can involve many sites of the body including the skin, tissues under the skin, bone, lungs (pneumonia), joints, and blood. Other serious complications are due directly to infection with the varicella-zoster virus and include viral pneumonia, bleeding problems, and infection of the brain (encephalitis). Many people are not aware that before a vaccine was available approximately 10,600 persons were hospitalized and 100 to 150 died as a result of chickenpox in the U.S. every year.
[...]
Serious complications from chickenpox include bacterial infections which can involve many sites of the body including the skin, tissues under the skin, bone, lungs (pneumonia), joints, and blood. Other serious complications are due directly to infection with the varicella-zoster virus and include viral pneumonia, bleeding problems, and infection of the brain (encephalitis). Many people are not aware that before a vaccine was available approximately 10,600 persons were hospitalized and 100 to 150 died as a result of chickenpox in the U.S. every year.
It's like the flu. No big deal unless you're one of the folks who suffer severe complications or die from it each year.
So glad I would only have to die from it once then.
That being said I never had the chicken pox, even though both my brothers had it and majority of my friends had it. Although I could have had it but not in a crazy break out sense like many people get who knows. As for vaccines I used to not believe in them, now I 100% do not believe in them. I got the FLU vaccination for the first time ever this year and still got the Flu, and unlike other flu battles this one lasted for nearly a full week.
I will never get a non polio/tetanus shot again, I think they are a gimmick and even though they are free to me a waste of money. I would rather see my taxes spent on more doctors/nurses to reduce wait times in medical centers instead of clogging them up to give vaccines that seemingly are ineffective. I will stick to my natural remedies like weed, mushrooms, and whiskey to get over pain/colds/flus the same as I have done for the last 10 years.
TLDR, I think vaccinations for most things are stupid. Except for those that have been shown to work 100% of the time (like polio/tetanus).
This is a textbook example of the idiocy that Smash was talking about.
(Smash, you missed a negative sign in your post.)
Just as Planned.
Omegavegeta wrote:
they brought it back, & the bacteria (which coincidentally to this thread, was the common cold) came back to "life". 
Bardalicious wrote:
Omegavegeta wrote:
they brought it back, & the bacteria (which coincidentally to this thread, was the common cold) came back to "life".
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Also, viruses aren't considered alive.
True, but that's really more of a matter of technical classification. They meet nearly every criteria for defining life.
When the first someone is a sibling of the second someone, and the subject is a medical reaction, then it does actually make it more likely.
No, fuckstick, it doesn't. Good guessing though. Don't bother with the last 100 year of immunology or anything, just go with your gut instinct that if one kid is allergic to something that his (non identical twin) brother is more likely than normal to be allergic also.
He isn't. Stop substituting your anecdotal experience or "intuition" for easily obtainable facts. If I had two children and one died the day after an MMR vaccine, I'd get the other one vaccinated the next day. BECAUSE I'M NOT A FUCKING IDIOT WHO CAN'T SEPARATE DECISION MAKING FROM EMOTION.
Doing what's best for children isn't a guessing game or a matter of taste. The fact that it's just incredibly easy to successfully raise a healthy child (I mean, really, any fool can do it, it couldn't be less of an accomplishment) doesn't mean one should continually make bad decisions until one actually leads to demonstrably bad outcome. The idea should be to give your kids the *best* chance of ending up healthy well adjusted adults.
Making medical decisions based on how you, the parent, happens to feel that day is mind numbingly selfish and, once again, just terrible parenting. It's NOT about how you fucking FEEL about your kid's health.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
He isn't. Stop substituting your anecdotal experience or "intuition" for easily obtainable facts. If I had two children and one died the day after an MMR vaccine, I'd get the other one vaccinated the next day. BECAUSE I'M NOT A ******* IDIOT WHO CAN'T SEPARATE DECISION MAKING FROM EMOTION.
kind of insensitive man at least give him some time to grieve in peace i mean come on
kind of insensitive man at least give him some time to grieve in peace i mean come on
Kachi wrote:
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Also, viruses aren't considered alive.
True, but that's really more of a matter of technical classification. They meet nearly every criteria for defining life.
Smasharoo wrote:
When the first someone is a sibling of the second someone, and the subject is a medical reaction, then it does actually make it more likely.
No, fuckstick, it doesn't. Good guessing though. Don't bother with the last 100 year of immunology or anything, just go with your gut instinct that if one kid is allergic to something that his (non identical twin) brother is more likely than normal to be allergic also.
First off, we're not necessarily talking about a classical allergic reaction. But that's beside the point because you are still wrong. The mother has had a strange history in terms of her reaction to chicken pox. Her first child had a negative reaction to the chicken pox immunization. The odds of the second child *also* having a similarly negative reaction are, in medical terms, "significant".
No amount of you yelling makes you any less wrong.
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He isn't. Stop substituting your anecdotal experience or "intuition" for easily obtainable facts.
Lol. So easy you didn't bother to find any before launching into an assumption.
To be fair, there's still a question as to whether allowing the child to catch the chicken pox naturally is a great alternative, but she's absolutely right to be concerned about the effect of the immunization on the child. I don't know if I'd forgo it, but I'd definitely wait until the second child is as old as possible before giving him the immunization, if for no other reason than the health risks from those kinds of reactions are significantly greater the younger a child is when it happens.
I would assume she talked this over with her doctor before proceeding Smash. I do find it strange that you are so insistent about something that is ultimately a choice for the parent to make. It's not like we're talking polio or small pox here. In the grand scheme of things, chicken pox is pretty far down the list of things most people worry about.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
Her first child had a negative reaction to the chicken pox immunization. The odds of the second child *also* having a similarly negative reaction are, in medical terms, "significant".
Why do you think so?
I have two brothers. We are all allergic to something, but none of us is allergic to the same things as either of the others.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samira wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Her first child had a negative reaction to the chicken pox immunization. The odds of the second child *also* having a similarly negative reaction are, in medical terms, "significant".
Why do you think so?
I have two brothers. We are all allergic to something, but none of us is allergic to the same things as either of the others.
The hint, which I included in the first sentence of that paragraph, is that we're not really talking about an allergy (Smash made an assumption and then argued against his own assumption. Yay strawman!). All reactions are not allergic reactions, even though we often label them as such. Given her history with chicken pox (she had it three times), it's more likely we're dealing with an odd interaction between her immune system and the chicken pox virus. Her first child's bad reaction to the chicken pox immunization would suggest to any rational person with a modest understanding of genetics that said trait (or some aspect of it) was inheritable.
It's more or less impossible to know or calculate the odds that a second child will have a similar over-reaction to a chicken pox immunization (not enough data) but it's a good bet that those odds are higher than those used when calculating the statistical odds of an immunization producing a negative reaction among the population as a whole. I don't need to know anything more than that to conclude that Smash's claim that the odds aren't changed at all is just plain wrong.
How much? And is said difference enough to justify changing one's actions? No way to know. But the odds are most definitely "higher".
Edited, Jan 17th 2011 9:16pm by gbaji
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
You know I wouldn't say this if it weren't true-- gbaji is right. Allergies are generally heritable. That doesn't mean they will be inherited, but the risk for heredity is increased. It may not be a significant increase to risk, though-- maybe even far less significant than the risk of delaying immunization.
I'm not going to give a medical recommendation (other than listen to the doctor), and I'm likely the most qualified person in this discussion to do so. So I hope anyone who's wondering what to do will listen to their doctor before anyone here, friends, people on TV, etc.
I'm not going to give a medical recommendation (other than listen to the doctor), and I'm likely the most qualified person in this discussion to do so. So I hope anyone who's wondering what to do will listen to their doctor before anyone here, friends, people on TV, etc.
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