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#1 Jan 10 2011 at 6:45 PM Rating: Good
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Today I got to serve on a jury for the first time. I had been pooled on numerous times before, but never chosen.

All in all it was a fun experience that I'd like to do again, but I feel a bit bad about the outcome of the trial. Many of us jurors by the end of the trial felt that the defendant was guilty (for various reasons) but the evidence just wasn't enough. The prosecution had to throw out half charges by the end of the trial due to lack of evidence. In the end the defendant was found not guilty, yet was probably guilty. A guilty man probably walked out of that court today due to a pretty poor job on the prosecution.

In the end, we felt we did the right thing legally, but morally were all pretty bummed. I wish there was a third choice "Not Guilty due to lack of evidence, but this man needs some serious help!"

Edited, Jan 10th 2011 7:45pm by TirithRR
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#2 Jan 10 2011 at 7:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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#3 Jan 10 2011 at 7:16 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
"Your Honor, the jury has reached a verdict. Guilty by reason of.... C'MOOOOON! LOOKIT 'IM!"


That's not quite what I meant. But a lot of the reasons were due to evidence we were instructed to disregard due to reasons between the judge and lawyers. They spent a lot of time on the side bar. Almost as much time as we spent actually hearing witness testimony. There was an entire 30 minute police interview that we weren't allowed to hear any of.
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#4 Jan 10 2011 at 7:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's beyond a reasonable doubt for criminal charge for a reason.

That is all.
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
That's not quite what I meant.

I didn't actually mean you. I just got the idea from your post. I've never served in a jury so never had to deal with it.
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#6 Jan 10 2011 at 8:18 PM Rating: Good
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Well, since there are no laws about me talking about the trial once it's over.

The charges were two counts of indecent exposure. One in 2009, the other in 2010. Four witnesses, all the women who were flashed by a nude man on the beach. Three of them were in 2009, the charge that was dropped half way through the trial. One was in 2010. None of the witnesses were able to identify the defendant. The 2010 occurrence happened on July 4th in a state park, but on a section of beach that the woman didn't see anyone else in. They just weren't able to provide any proof that the man on the defendant's chair was the man they saw. The only identifiable descriptions were "a six foot tall thin man with short dark hair". The defendant was found in a 1/4 mile radius around the area about 10 minutes after the supposed event.

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#7 Jan 10 2011 at 9:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Did he have to get his todger out for a formal identification in court? That would surely have cleared up any doubts .
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#8 Jan 10 2011 at 9:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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From that description you did the right thing. No ID of man, then you must acquit.
#9 Jan 11 2011 at 3:52 AM Rating: Default
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Meh, indecent exposure is silly anyways. It's not like it's something that hurts anyone other than possibly offending them, and it's hardly something people haven't seen before. The witnesses will survive. <_<;

#10 Jan 11 2011 at 7:44 AM Rating: Good
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Kudo's for doing your civic duty. I'd rather see a guilty flasher walk-away free than an innocent person jailed.

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#11 Jan 11 2011 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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I don't understand why nudity is a crime to begin with.
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I don't understand why nudity is a crime to begin with.
Because the people who most often go nude, are not the ones we want to be seeing nude.
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#13 Jan 11 2011 at 11:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't understand why nudity is a crime to begin with.
Gasp! Think of the CHILDREN! Just imagine the horrible things that could happen to a child for seeing something they've seen every day since they were born!
#14 Jan 11 2011 at 3:06 PM Rating: Good
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I don't understand why so many people who aren't nudists get on their soapboxes to advocate it whenever its brought up. We get it: it's not a particularly logical law. Not all of our social conventions that get codified are based on cold, rational logic. But its not hard to not be naked. If its so important to you to, then there are plenty of nudist colonies for you to run free in. Go nuts.

Hey, someone's gotta stir the pot. Seems like this place is dead unless alma's providing fodder lately.
#15 Jan 11 2011 at 3:19 PM Rating: Good
I just served last week on an attempted murder case. We found the defendant guilty of facilitating attempted murder in the first degree. Trial lasted 4 days and it was rough. I was sure we'd end up a hung jury. Guy got shot in the face twice and lived... It was hard. I enjoyed the first case I had, it didn't seem so... important isn't the right word. Serious, I guess. This was emotionally draining.
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Belkira wrote:
I enjoyed the first case I had, it didn't seem so... important isn't the right word. Serious, I guess. This was emotionally draining.


This being my first time, the case was pretty boring. The Judge and lawyers spent, in our opinion, too much time arguing amongst themselves, and we were stuck in the Jury Room waiting for the trial to resume for a long time quite often.

The other jurors were nice people. Most of the time we just sat around talking to each other about work, the area, etc. Laughing about stupid ****. One woman was scared by the radiator venting pressure and couldn't stop laughing after she realized what it was. One guy fell asleep during the one and a half hour wait we had after the lunch recess before the trial actually started up.

I mean, we did do our jobs, we weren't slacking off all the time. And when it came down to final deliberations we were serious and went over all the witness testimony and which parts we were instructed to ignore. But while waiting for the trial to resume over the many long recesses we didn't discuss too much of the trial. One guy definitely wasn't too happy about being stuck in the jury room at the end cause he couldn't go out for a smoke.

I did find out that it seems all I have to do to get out of jury duty is tell them I am related to a police officer. Every juror that had any ties to the police force was excused by the defense.
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#17 Jan 11 2011 at 4:30 PM Rating: Good
TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Belkira wrote:
I enjoyed the first case I had, it didn't seem so... important isn't the right word. Serious, I guess. This was emotionally draining.


This being my first time, the case was pretty boring. The Judge and lawyers spent, in our opinion, too much time arguing amongst themselves, and we were stuck in the Jury Room waiting for the trial to resume for a long time quite often.

The other jurors were nice people. Most of the time we just sat around talking to each other about work, the area, etc. Laughing about stupid sh*t. One woman was scared by the radiator venting pressure and couldn't stop laughing after she realized what it was. One guy fell asleep during the one and a half hour wait we had after the lunch recess before the trial actually started up.

I mean, we did do our jobs, we weren't slacking off all the time. And when it came down to final deliberations we were serious and went over all the witness testimony and which parts we were instructed to ignore. But while waiting for the trial to resume over the many long recesses we didn't discuss too much of the trial. One guy definitely wasn't too happy about being stuck in the jury room at the end cause he couldn't go out for a smoke.

I did find out that it seems all I have to do to get out of jury duty is tell them I am related to a police officer. Every juror that had any ties to the police force was excused by the defense.


We were much the same on breaks (which we had a lot of, as well) and on lunch hours. But we were specifically instructed NOT to discuss the case in any way, shape, or form with anyone, even the other jurors, until it was time to deliberate. Then it was srs bizness.
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Belkira wrote:
We were much the same on breaks (which we had a lot of, as well) and on lunch hours. But we were specifically instructed NOT to discuss the case in any way, shape, or form with anyone, even the other jurors, until it was time to deliberate. Then it was srs bizness.


We were told that we could discuss the case during breaks only if all the jurors were present (obviously weren't allowed to discuss it with anyone not on the jury though). But we should avoid making conclusions until all the evidence had been presented.
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#19 Jan 11 2011 at 6:41 PM Rating: Good
So, that jury I was on for four days last week, my boss was pissed and decided he was going to call the county clerk and tell them that my "jury duty was served." He tried to call today, but didn't get anyone important. I had to call the number tonight to see if I report tomorrow.

Guess who has to report for jury duty tomorrow?

I told my boss and he said to go ahead, he didn't want me to get in trouble. I told my other boss, and she said, "You have got to be fucking kidding me."
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Belkira wrote:
So, that jury I was on for four days last week, my boss was pissed and decided he was going to call the county clerk and tell them that my "jury duty was served." He tried to call today, but didn't get anyone important. I had to call the number tonight to see if I report tomorrow.

Guess who has to report for jury duty tomorrow?

I told my boss and he said to go ahead, he didn't want me to get in trouble. I told my other boss, and she said, "You have got to be fucking kidding me."
I say somebody at wherever it is you need to report for jury duty has the hots for you.
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