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#202 Jan 11 2011 at 10:51 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
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Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.


Give me a @#%^ing break, gbaji.


Other than your own assumptive association between conservatives and guns, why would you think that the word "reload" followed by a request for people to go to a web page would have anything at all to do with firearms? She's asking people to visit her facebook page. WTF?


And no. I'm not kidding. You are seriously reading into those words.


Just curious if she was asking you to visit a facebook page, on twitter, she was asking you to check an entirely different web page. So how could you possibly think this:
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I looked at the tweet, and it seemed obvious to me that she was telling people to reload the page so that they could see new updates as they arrived.


If she was clearly asking people to visit face book for more info, why sit on twitter hitting f5 when the info was elsewhere? So obviously you are internet retarded, or you can't accept she was using bad word play.

Bad wordplay is all this is. She is the gun totting hockey mom, she uses buzz words like target, reload, and maverick. In my honest opinion I do not believe she has anything to do with this, or is at fault at all. I also think both sides need to drop the ******* ******** partisan **** and respect the recent loss of lives at the hands of a ******* nut bar.

She should have chosen better language, but she is hardly responsible for the actions of others. Unless someone links a paper trail to her requesting this deed be done, there is nothing wrong with what she said/did. They are buzz words and that is all.

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#203 Jan 11 2011 at 11:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Sarah Palin telling her daughter Bristol to visit her webpage (skip to the last few seconds if you'd like).

God, I bet Mrs. Palin LOVES useful idiots like Gbaji. What kind of blind devotion do you need to come up with the shit he comes up with to defend his precious icons?



Missed this but that is hilarious. Thank god for 4G smart phones in the wilderness right.
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#204 Jan 11 2011 at 11:05 PM Rating: Good
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She should have chosen better language, but she is hardly responsible for the actions of others.


Ah.. but are you sure?

Remember when BushCo wanted to go to war with Sadaam. they talked you all into with....thats right 'words'. None of them true, but look how many fell for the lies about WMD's, mushroom clouds over NY etc etc.

Absolutely its not just Palin, but her words are listened to. And so are the words of others.....

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"I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus - living fossils - so we will never forget what these people stood for."
- Rush Limbaugh, Denver Post, 12-29-95


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"Get rid of the guy. Impeach him, censure him, assassinate him."
- Rep. James Hansen (R-UT), talking about President Clinton


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"We're going to keep building the party until we're hunting Democrats with dogs."
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"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building."
- Ann Coulter, New York Observer, 08-26-02


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"We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."
- Ann Coulter, at the Conservative Political Action Conference, 02-26-02


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Throughout history people have used words and images to incite others to violence.

Why should it be any different today.

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#205 Jan 11 2011 at 11:23 PM Rating: Decent
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The attack here was done by a nutjob. As a Canadian I look at it without political Bias on either side. I see it as a crazy who may or may not have taken it a step to far. Palin can't really be blamed, in the same way J. D. Salinger can't be blamed for John Lennon's murder. Both provided something some whack job took to heart.


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At some point, Chapman became obsessed with Catcher in the Rye after rereading it for the first time since high school. He was particularly influenced by protagonist Holden Caulfield's polemics against "phoniness" in society, and the need to protect people, especially children. He was holding a copy of the book when he murdered Lennon, in which he had written "This is my statement." After his arrest, he wrote a letter to the media urging everyone to read the "extraordinary book" that may "help many to understand what has happened."[44] When asked if he wanted to address the court at his sentencing, Chapman read a passage from Catcher in the Rye that describes Holden Caulfield's fantasy of being on the edge of a cliff and having to catch all children from falling. A psychiatrist at the sentencing, Daniel W. Schwartz, said that Chapman wanted to kill Lennon because he viewed him as a "phony." Chapman later said that he thought the murder would turn him into a Holden Caulfield, a "quasi-savior" and "guardian angel."

Chapman recalls having listened to Lennon's John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band album in the weeks before the murder and stated: "I would listen to this music and I would get angry at him, for saying that he didn't believe in God... and that he didn't believe in the Beatles. This was another thing that angered me, even though this record had been done at least 10 years previously. I just wanted to scream out loud, 'Who does he think he is, saying these things about God and heaven and the Beatles?' Saying that he doesn't believe in Jesus and things like that. At that point, my mind was going through a total blackness of anger and rage. So I brought the Lennon book home, into this Catcher in the Rye milieu where my mindset is Holden Caulfield and anti-phoniness."[43] Chapman later stated that, while Holden was not violent, he did "have a violent thought of shooting someone, of emptying a revolver into this fellow's stomach, someone that had done him wrong" despite being "a very sensitive person and he probably would not have killed anybody as I did. But that's fiction and reality was standing in front [of] the Dakota."[45] He further said, "So the child and the adult conspired together to kill the phony. Then the child and the adult went to the Dakota on the morning of December 8. The adult, very charming, knows his way around-even invited one of the fans to lunch across the street-the child, frightened, alternately praying to God and the devil to get him out of this. The adult was praying to God. He was a fake adult, but he was scared and he knew that the child was about to do something very evil and wrong. The child was praying to the devil and the adult was praying to the Lord. The spiritual dichotomy: Devil-God. And the inner dichotomy: the child-the man. They're out there in front of the Dakota late one night'"


It is of similarity. Palin did not say we should kill these people, or we should murder these people. Unlike Gbaji I take "not retreat, reload instead" to mean that the conservative party should not give up on those particular areas, but to rework their game plans and come back at it next time with a better strategy.

It most certainly does not mean reload the web page, and I guess because I am not mentally challenged I see that, and I also see those targets on the map as political targets, areas of the country that the conservatives should focus on wining the next time around.

As to the quotes you listed, if people start dieing those who said those things should be held responsible, they used words like Kill, assassinate. Those aren't buzz words, those are actual words that can only be associated with one thing in the context they are written in. Palin simply chose wrong words, but that being said, anyone with a functioning brain knows what she meant.
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#206 Jan 11 2011 at 11:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Both provided something some whack job took to heart.

Evidence indicates that this dope had something against Giffords long before Palin was known to anyone. Again, I'm not trying to imply Palin had anything to do with it, just laughing at her clumsy backpedaling.

With that said, I don't think it's wrong to use this event as an opportunity to reassess what people think is proper. If the doctor tells you that he found dark spots on your chest x-ray, it's completely rational to think "Oh my god, what if it's cancer?" When he later says it's not cancer, it's still perfectly rational to ask yourself "Am I making intelligent and healthy decisions by choosing to smoke?"

Does it really have to be some partisan driven tragedy whoring to step back and say "Maybe this really isn't such a good way to approach each other"?
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#207 Jan 11 2011 at 11:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Does it really have to be some partisan driven tragedy whoring to step back and say "Maybe this really isn't such a good way to approach each other"?


True dat.

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#208 Jan 12 2011 at 12:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Surveyor's symbols *are* targets. Bullseyes are targets. And crosshairs are targets. None of which absolutely indicate anything having to do with firearms, unless one deliberately decides to interpret them in that context. Same thing with reload. I looked at the tweet, and it seemed obvious to me that she was telling people to reload the page so that they could see new updates as they arrived.


ITT: Gbaji jumps the shark.
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#209 Jan 12 2011 at 12:10 AM Rating: Good
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paulsol wrote:
Jophiel wrote:

Does it really have to be some partisan driven tragedy whoring to step back and say "Maybe this really isn't such a good way to approach each other"?


True dat.



Completely agree, and that is why I love american politics, both sides jump on the slightest misstep to attempt to gain the upper hand, even though it doesn't change the fact that no matter what color tie they wear or what animal flag they wave, they are all the same, and they will all do anything for money.

My most favorite thing is when politicians say they are going to fix things. That includes in my own country. Politicians are Lawyers, they rarely if ever have practical training in the things they try and fix. They usually never know the problem, and they certainly rarely know the solution. No throwing more money or setting up boards and new official sounding panels is not a solution.

Want to fix the auto industry, stop allowing oil companies to dictate the price of gasoline.
Want to fix the auto industry part two, stop allowing oil companies to delay the production of non-gas using vehicles.
Want to fix drug crimes, stop allowing pharmaceutical companies to prevent the use of natural medicine.
etc
etc
etc

Politicians don't know jack all about **** they want to "fix" all they care about is money coming in.
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#210 Jan 12 2011 at 12:51 AM Rating: Good
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Gbaji wrote:
Surveyor's symbols *are* targets. Bullseyes are targets. And crosshairs are targets. None of which absolutely indicate anything having to do with firearms, unless one deliberately decides to interpret them in that context. Same thing with reload. I looked at the tweet, and it seemed obvious to me that she was telling people to reload the page so that they could see new updates as they arrived.


ITT: Gbaji jumps the shark.


He did that a couple of years ago, at least.
#211 Jan 12 2011 at 6:02 AM Rating: Good
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I doubt Palin was actually suggesting anyone go and shoot people, but it's pretty hard to construe sights coupled with the phrase "reload" (which, as previously indicated, cannot be used to mean "reload this webpage you've yet to load" because that is senseless) as anything but gun imagery. If it was just sights, I could help you out... but this is clearly meant to put guns in mind. It's stupid to say otherwise. You are stupid to say otherwise.


This is what I mean. I never thought Palin really expected anyone to take her literally. She's just one of those thick people that acts before she thinks. There are plenty of crazy people out there that will take any excuse to go ahead and act on their particular brand of crazy. The guy in Arizona *might* have been influenced by this. We don't know that for sure though. And the thought certainly crossed the mind of Palin and her camp AFTER the fact - "Um, maybe someone might take this literally, we should change our story!"

So yes, I believe she meant it as gun sights and saying RELOAD is also in reference to a gun. I think she was just trying to get people riled up. Unfortunately she may have gotten the wrong person a bit *too* riled up.
#212 Jan 12 2011 at 6:38 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:

Erm... I don't think you know what a horned toad is.
I know this one! It's actually a lizard that lives in the desert and shoots blood from it's eyes.

It's kind of amazing how we subconsciously interpret, prioritize and filter stuff in and out of our brains.
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#213 Jan 12 2011 at 7:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Omegavegeta wrote:
Gbaji wrote:
Surveyor's symbols *are* targets. Bullseyes are targets. And crosshairs are targets. None of which absolutely indicate anything having to do with firearms, unless one deliberately decides to interpret them in that context. Same thing with reload. I looked at the tweet, and it seemed obvious to me that she was telling people to reload the page so that they could see new updates as they arrived.


ITT: Gbaji jumps the shark.


That was pretty much my impression. No one short of the totally delusional* would think anything else about that, especially with the nice youtube clip placed in here. I agree it means nothing in relation to the OP, but it does show how out of touch with reality gbaji is. And how all Guru names are Jophiel to him.

The guy was a loon, and tragedies happen. Sad but true. Sarah Palin is not to blame; her camp is just dishonest and unable to 'fess up when they pull out teh dum.

*Edit: I should add "Totally delusional or with an obvious agenda"

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#214 Jan 12 2011 at 7:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Debalic wrote:
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It's not that the left is using this directly to push any agenda

Yes they are; increased gun control and the fairness doctrine come to mind.

Gun control isn't the problem; we need even more lax gun laws. Hell, this was in was Arizona; someone should have popped that kid long before he emptied an extended clip.


Oh, sure, that's viable. Shooting into a crowd, trying to pick the right target in a seething mass of panic, that's easy.

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#215 Jan 12 2011 at 7:42 AM Rating: Good
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Debalic wrote:
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It's not that the left is using this directly to push any agenda

Yes they are; increased gun control and the fairness doctrine come to mind.

Gun control isn't the problem; we need even more lax gun laws. Hell, this was in was Arizona; someone should have popped that kid long before he emptied an extended clip.


Oh, sure, that's viable. Shooting into a crowd, trying to pick the right target in a seething mass of panic, that's easy.

Pfft. You can't?
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LMAO...

Well, that's one way to avoid answering an uncomfortable question.
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#222 Jan 12 2011 at 8:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophed,

I was laughing at the irony.


Wouldn't irony be if the situation was reversed, and Joph was saying it was a surveying symbol and gbaji and the rest of the world was saying it was obviously crosshairs and referencing guns?

I could perhaps be misunderstanding irony, but as irony is one of the most misunderstood concepts, I'm thinking Varus is just wrong.
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Haven't read the thread, but I imagine that will in no way preclude me from completely understanding the content.

Political speech today is startlingly tame compared to any time in our nations history and any argument otherwise is either intellectually dishonest or oblivious to history. Arguing for a moderation of the "tone" or whatever of that speech is one of the very few useful examples of a legitimate "slippery slope". Politics is important, it's bloodsport, and opposing factions are entitled and indeed, in many ways *required* to use every possible tactic to win. Without that level of intensity, democracy becomes an even less useful exercise than it is now, and there really isn't much space to move in that direction.
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Political speech today is startlingly tame compared to any time in our nations history and any argument otherwise is either intellectually dishonest or oblivious to history. Arguing for a moderation of the "tone" or whatever of that speech is one of the very few useful examples of a legitimate "slippery slope". Politics is important, it's bloodsport, and opposing factions are entitled and indeed, in many ways *required* to use every possible tactic to win. Without that level of intensity, democracy becomes an even less useful exercise than it is now, and there really isn't much space to move in that direction.

In the last 7 years, that's the most intelligent thing I have ever read you post.
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