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#102 Jan 10 2011 at 4:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Everything we interact with can be dangerous if someone makes it so, or someone does not act safe around it. Get yourself a bubble and lock yourself in your basement, eat through a straw and never talk to anyone, it is the tinfoil hat way.

Or, you know, recognize that things have various levels of being dangerous and take sensible precautions as in a reasonable manner.

But I'm sure the bubble thing works as well. Until it collapses and smothers you.
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#103 Jan 10 2011 at 4:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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rdmcandie wrote:
Again are all not dangerous unless you make them to be so. Poison isn't dangerous unless you ingest it, cliffs aren't dangerous unless you fall off them, water isn't dangerous unless you can't swim/don't wear a life preserver.

That's pathetically stupid. Danger being avoidable does not negate the threat. Hypothermia? Don't live in a cold climate. Crushed by an avalanche? Don't hang out around mountains. Lightning strike? Live underground. Tsunami? Don't live near the ocean. Earthquake? Mars is habitable right? Hurricanes, volcanic eruptions, fire, comets, hail, heat waves and very much more are all inherently dangerous.

I can't believe how unimaginative you and Moebius are.

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The reason Marijuana, Mushrooms, and Cocaine are illegal is because it is impossible for government or corporations to control the production, and distribution of it.
Not even close. They're as easy to control production and distribution as alcohol. No, they're illegal because we, as a society, want them illegal.
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#105 Jan 10 2011 at 4:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
rdmcandie wrote:
The reason Marijuana, Mushrooms, and Cocaine are illegal is because it is impossible for government or corporations to control the production, and distribution of it.
Not even close. They're as easy to control production and distribution as alcohol. No, they're illegal because we, as a society, want them illegal.


Iirc, one of the major reasons marijuana is illegal is due the clout of the timber industry, supported by the liquor and synthetic fiber industries.

Lobbyists aren't new.

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Uglysasquatch wrote:
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The reason Marijuana, Mushrooms, and Cocaine are illegal is because it is impossible for government or corporations to control the production, and distribution of it.
Not even close. They're as easy to control production and distribution as alcohol. No, they're illegal because we, as a society, want them illegal.


No you are very incorrect sir. If i was so easy to control there would not be millions and millions of dollars wasted every year trying to do so. In Canada alone roughly 1 billion of the law enforcement budget is dedicated to the attempted control of drugs, about 50% of that is directly related to marijuana. 500 million dollars spent every year to catch drug growers and dealers just for pot.
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On Current Practices:
• We estimate the cost of enforcing the drug laws to be closer to $1-1.5 billion per annum.
• The principal public policy cost relative to cannabis is law enforcement and the justice system; we estimate this to represent a total of $300-$500 million per annum.

http://www.cannabisfacts.ca/senatereportquotes.html

If it was so easy to control drug production and distribution why can't they?

The reason it is not legal is because it is an uncontrollable industry, and if people can't make money on it, they don't want it around. Instead they would rather pay 50~80K/yr to keep these terrible threats to society locked up.

Money is the reason and if it isn't going to as few pockets as possible then it isn't going to work.
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If i was so easy to control there would not be millions and millions of dollars wasted every year trying to do so.

Spent controlling an illegal substance. Alcohol was pretty much impossible to control during America's brief courtship with prohibition.
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After seeing her picture all over the place the past two days, I would just like to say that I wouldn't mind sticking my pistol in her and firing off a few rounds...
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If i was so easy to control there would not be millions and millions of dollars wasted every year trying to do so.
They would if they we as a society wanted them too. Same deal on prostitution. We spend tons of money processing prostitutes and pimps and chasing after kidnapped girls who are forced into prostitution. We legalize it and tax it and we remove most of them from the equation.

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if people can't make money on it,
And that's how the government controls it. By legalizing it and getting into the business and keeping prices arbitrarily low until you drive the illegals out and then privatize it. Or simply by legalizing it and requiring a license to sell it. People will very quickly go the legal route over spending time in jail. Once they're selling it openly, the government can regulate it as they want, just like alcohol and tobacco.

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and why was it brief? Oh that is right because they spent an *** tonne of money on something they could not control, how did it become legal, oh yes manufacturers of the leading alcohols at the time lobbied in washington to have it changed. Thus you have a controlled group already handling the production and distribution.

Since Marijuana for example is a self contained plant (unlike booze whose ingrediants require time to grow/harvest/process) it is nearly impossible for anyone to control it. Which makes it really really hard to make money on. If I could grow 20 plants a year legally, how would the government make money? They wouldn't. If they made the use and possesion legal but not the sales or growing it would change nothing.

If anything they should change the charges to uncontrolled substances, since they clearly can't control them.



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This is why pot isn't legalized. Because those that want it don't even know why it isn't.
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and why was it brief? Oh that is right because they spent an *** tonne of money on something they could not control, how did it become legal, oh yes manufacturers of the leading alcohols at the time lobbied in washington to have it changed. Thus you have a controlled group already handling the production and distribution.

Since Marijuana for example is a self contained plant (unlike booze whose ingrediants require time to grow/harvest/process) it is nearly impossible for anyone to control it. Which makes it really really hard to make money on. If I could grow 20 plants a year legally, how would the government make money? They wouldn't. If they made the use and possesion legal but not the sales or growing it would change nothing.

If anything they should change the charges to uncontrolled substances, since they clearly can't control them.



Edited, Jan 10th 2011 6:27pm by rdmcandie
If pot was legalized your 20 plants wouldn't be worth ****. Large corporate farms would undercut you to the point where you'd make hardly any money.
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rdmcandie wrote:
and why was it brief? Oh that is right because they spent an *** tonne of money on something they could not control, how did it become legal, oh yes manufacturers of the leading alcohols at the time lobbied in washington to have it changed. Thus you have a controlled group already handling the production and distribution.

Thank you for explaining exactly why Ugly is right.
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If pot was legalized your 20 plants wouldn't be worth sh*t. Large corporate farms would undercut you to the point where you'd make hardly any money.


I'm not growing them to make money. I'm growing my 20 plants so that I dont have to pay some large corporation for their processed product.

Timelord got the reasons why MJ was made illegal in the first place.
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Iirc, one of the major reasons marijuana is illegal is due the clout of the timber industry, supported by the liquor and synthetic fiber industries.

Probably not, at least in regards to #1 & #3.
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If pot was legalized your 20 plants wouldn't be worth sh*t. Large corporate farms would undercut you to the point where you'd make hardly any money.


I'm not growing them to make money. I'm growing my 20 plants so that I dont have to pay some large corporation for their processed product.

Timelord got the reasons why MJ was made illegal in the first place.


Exactly this. I could care less about selling weed and making piddley money on it. Id rather grow it for myself so I wouldn't need to buy from the government or someone else and this is why the government couldn't control it. Everyone would just grow it themselves in their backyards. With little to no effort, less than even a vegetable garden.

This is accompanied by lobbying from major marijuana competitors such as pulp companies, clothing companies, pharmaceuticals, is the reason pot is not legal. Government stands to make more money by keeping it illegal than not.


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that's no different though from people who make their own alcohol for their own consumption. Completely legal.
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You are absolutely right it is completely legal. But it requires much more work than planting a few plants. Unless you go outside to a ubrew (govt makes money), or you go and buy a home brew kit (govt makes money). Marijuana is a self preserved process, you plant plant. Cut clone, Plant clone, Cut another clone from the mother (the first plant) and so on and so forth. The mother plant will last a very very very long time if cared for properly, and will result in many many many batches of pot.

It is all done with 1 seed, and 1 plant, and if done right can last several years. But each time you want beer you gotta go buy the stuff to make it, and the govt gets paid.


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You're beginning to get extremely lame with your reasons. Almost like gbaji grasping for anything.
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It is all done with 1 seed, and 1 plant, and if done right can last several years. But each time you want beer you gotta go buy the stuff to make it, and the govt gets paid.
ITT the govn't hates all subsistence farming.
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Do you think your average pothead is really gonna keep a single plant harvesting for several years?
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Do you think your average pothead is really gonna keep a single plant harvesting for several years when he can buy a pack of Marlboro Ultra-Highs at the corner gas station?

Expanded for clarity. And no, he won't.
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#123 Jan 10 2011 at 7:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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You are absolutely right it is completely legal. But it requires much more work than planting a few plants. Unless you go outside to a ubrew (govt makes money), or you go and buy a home brew kit (govt makes money). Marijuana is a self preserved process, you plant plant. Cut clone, Plant clone, Cut another clone from the mother (the first plant) and so on and so forth. The mother plant will last a very very very long time if cared for properly, and will result in many many many batches of pot.

It is all done with 1 seed, and 1 plant, and if done right can last several years. But each time you want beer you gotta go buy the stuff to make it, and the govt gets paid.


False.

The reason people don't typically brew their own is commercially available stuff is cheaper than they could make, including the value of their time, higher quality, with many varieties,and less work to procure. All things that would be true of any legalized drug.
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The answer is no, in case anyone was still wondering.
Everybody over 18 in the Netherlands is legally allowed to grow 5 or 6 plants if I'm not mistaken yet not many people do. And buying weed is a little more complicated than just going to the shop on the corner because there aren't that many coffeeshops, you need to identify yourself and they can only sell you a small amount.
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You are absolutely right it is completely legal. But it requires much more work than planting a few plants. Unless you go outside to a ubrew (govt makes money), or you go and buy a home brew kit (govt makes money). Marijuana is a self preserved process, you plant plant. Cut clone, Plant clone, Cut another clone from the mother (the first plant) and so on and so forth. The mother plant will last a very very very long time if cared for properly, and will result in many many many batches of pot.

It is all done with 1 seed, and 1 plant, and if done right can last several years. But each time you want beer you gotta go buy the stuff to make it, and the govt gets paid.


False.

The reason people don't typically brew their own is commercially available stuff is cheaper than they could make, including the value of their time, higher quality, with many varieties,and less work to procure. All things that would be true of any legalized drug.
It's not cheaper up here. We pay a ton of taxes on our booze. Everyone I know that makes their own ( wine/liquor/beer) make it cheaper than they can buy it for by about the 4th-5th time they make something(1-4 covering equipment costs).
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You are absolutely right it is completely legal. But it requires much more work than planting a few plants. Unless you go outside to a ubrew (govt makes money), or you go and buy a home brew kit (govt makes money). Marijuana is a self preserved process, you plant plant. Cut clone, Plant clone, Cut another clone from the mother (the first plant) and so on and so forth. The mother plant will last a very very very long time if cared for properly, and will result in many many many batches of pot.

It is all done with 1 seed, and 1 plant, and if done right can last several years. But each time you want beer you gotta go buy the stuff to make it, and the govt gets paid.


False.

The reason people don't typically brew their own is commercially available stuff is cheaper than they could make, including the value of their time, higher quality, with many varieties,and less work to procure. All things that would be true of any legalized drug.
It's not cheaper up here. We pay a ton of taxes on our booze. Everyone I know that makes their own ( wine/liquor/beer) make it cheaper than they can buy it for by about the 4th-5th time they make something(1-4 covering equipment costs).


Its true we get royally shafted in regards to booze. It is like 40 bucks for 24 beers here. It sucks mega ***, and is much cheaper to produce your own. Which would likely occur in the same way if the Govt ever made weed legal, they would tax the **** out of it and it would be hella more expensive compared to growing your own weed (which is much easier than making booze).

Hell it costs almost 10 bucks for a pack of smokes here, if I could make my own smokes for a fraction the cost I would do that too, instead I just buy them from the Indian Reserve 10 minutes from here for about half the price.


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