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This particular commandment is quite the subject of debate:



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I'm jumping in on this point because I really have nothing to say about varus' paranoid delusions about a "homosexual agenda", other than to say that his conspiracy theories are always good for a laugh.

Edited, Jan 5th 2011 3:54pm by ShadorVIII

I swear the season of goodwill gets shorter every year...

It uses the word "kill", but it's also not as broadly defined as you're trying to make out. The church does not restrict the sin to just the crime of murder, but neither does it automatically define as sinful the execution of a death penalty much less the use of lethal force by law enforcement and military during the course of their legitimate duties.

Pretty much the only people who interpret that commandment to mean that war should be a sin are people who are attempting to make the snide comment you were making. Which makes it pretty much completely meaningless as an argument.

It's easy to say many things that are incorrect. By and large, no one except people trying to make some kind of "but your own rules say...!" argument are confused about what the Bible actually says about this. Of course, you'd have to read the whole thing instead of just one sentence. Context, what a concept!

Is this directed at varrus too?

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Could be. It was more than a decade ago, and most of it was arts and crafts. I was taught that the death penalty was opposed by Catholics, but if you say it's wrong, more power to you for looking it up!






Huh. Seems to me I said that the military is not a religious branch, and thus religion doesn't play a part unless it interferes with the soldier's ability to perform their duties. Context is important!

Edit: Also, some Christians (and others, since 1971) obviously believe war and killing IS immoral or against their beliefs. Hence the conscientious objector status. While not based directly on the commandments (old testament), these Christians base them upon Jesus's teaching in the new testament. These folks won't be in the military, again hitting home the point I said before - the military isn't a place for theocracy. Folks who truly believe in nonviolence won't be in it.

Edit2: Sorry, perhaps you're trying to take one item without the rest of the context. You said that I said that followers of the ten commandments should be opposed to war. While I didn't say that, it's mostly true. No Catholic should be pro-war by default, because war inevitably leads to loss of life, which is against Catholic teachings. That's not to say a war should never occur, but Catholics should oppose wars naturally unless the damage (to life) would be greater by not acting.

Again, if that view is wrong and Catholics should be war hawks, well, it's possible that the Church has been teaching people from MA and FL incorrectly.

Edited, Jan 5th 2011 6:41pm by LockeColeMA

I am sorry what? Is that some kind of attempted shot at me? Or are you saying exactly what I said again. The bible is full of loose ideals from over 2000 years ago, nearly everything in the bible is based entirely on context and the opinion of the one reading it. Including many many of the stories involved in it.

For example. The story of moses is a fascinating tale of the creation of the jewish nation. Opposite the kingdom of Egypt, Now when moses "split" the red sea do you believe god helped him actually part the waters? or like me do you believe this is simply the authors way of saying, instead of egypt controlling the red sea, it was now divided amongst 2 nations.

Or the story of Noah, and how old he was when he died. Do you take the bible at its literal 986 years of age, because that is pretty effing old. Now this is an early story, in my belief I think it was more like 986 moon cycles, which occurs roughly 12 times in a year which gives him an age of about 82 years. Which is still a long long time to live, but not totally out of the realm of biological possibility.

If you take the bible at its literal text all the time you will wander around in circles within the book forever. There are so many contradictions, and obviously ridiculous (see noah) things thrown around.

I certainly hope it wasn't a shot at me, because if you hang off every word in the greatest collection of short stories ever written. You are much sillier than I thought.

It's most likely that the entire story of Moses was simply lifted from a much earlier Egyptian tale and passed down to the Isrealites via intermarrying with Egyptian settlers in numerous communities they shared centuries later. But that's kinda irrelevant since the precise accuracy of the tale doesn't actually affect any decisions I might make today.



And again, the exact age Noah lived to, or how many animals he had in his Ark, or how he managed to fit them all in said Ark doesn't really affect any decisions I might make in my day to day life today.



Yes, great! Um... however, determining whether or not firing my rifle at an enemy soldier advancing on my position will get me in trouble with my deity *is* something that affects my day to day life (assuming I was a soldier and a specifically religious person of course). Thus, figuring out what is meant by the 6th commandment is kinda important. And guess what? Nearly every single Jewish, Christian, and Muslim denomination interprets that commandment the same way. It prohibits acts of killing which are unnecessary and/or unjustified by the law. In every case murder is prohibited. In every case war is allowed. Even the death penalty is only a slightly gray areas, and most allow it. Even the Catholic Church, while officially opposed as an organization to it, does not declare it a sin. If a Catholic pulls the switch, he's not going to hell, nor will the Pope excommunicate someone for passing a death sentence, nor require Catholic governors to grant reprises to those so convicted.


Like I said earlier, nearly no one is confused about how to interpret this *except* those trying to make some kind of point about it.

You are a silly silly person. Your view means as much to anyone else, as my view does. Your idea of meanings and **** is as useful to me as the next person and so on and so forth. To try and make the claim that your ideological belief and understanding is the pinnacle of correct is fundamentally retarded.

The Commandments have long been considered overly redundant. The Church itself has faulted them on more than one occasion so how can their possibly be any clear choice. The church was responsible for millions of deaths, in either the name of God, or in defense of their pope, or in attempt to wrest power from areas it was not before. (See. Crusades, the wonderful period of the dark ages, and the destruction of the aboriginal tribes of north and south america.)

The key to avoiding the commandments is to do it in the name of your "God". It has always been this way. The bible itself tells of all kinds of wonderful events that break every commandment, want to know how you get out of it.....

Ask for forgiveness, and you shall receive. Repent your sins and send 5 dollars to your local church.

The bible is full of very nice stories, about events of our history, it is nothing more than a very good history book. Although I am sure you have read the full thing. Right. right.

I thought we were talking about the bible...?

Lol! Hahahah... Serves me right to switch back and forth between conversations about amendments and commandments. Good catch! ;)


Sadly, not even close to 2/3rds of the planets population are granted the right to a fair and speedy trial.

Edited, Jan 5th 2011 4:27pm by gbaji

No, it's not. It's like that Italian insisting that his pasta recipe is the correct pasta recipe. You're slacking with your analogies, gbaji.