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#27REDACTED, Posted: Jan 04 2011 at 4:28 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Joph,
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#28 Jan 04 2011 at 5:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Uniform Code of Military Justice wrote:

933. ART. 133. CONDUCT UNBECOMING AN OFFICER AND A GENTLEMAN
Any commissioned officer, cadet, or midshipman who is convicted of conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

934. ART. 134. GENERAL ARTICLE
Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.



Dear Varus,

STFU

Also, you're an idiot.

That is all.

Carry on.

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#29 Jan 04 2011 at 5:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
You realize if this guy had been caught actually sucking some guys d*ck nothing would have happened to him...



Wrong again O' Most Ignorant One.

Uniform Code of Military Conduct wrote:


925. ART. 125. SODOMY
(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration , however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.
(b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.



I realize that you're very very stupid, and that you fail to understand that even though DADT has been repealed, the standards of military conduct have not. Whether you are straight or not, sexual fraternization is still not allowed.

Also, you're an idiot.

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#30 Jan 04 2011 at 5:29 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm actually inclined to agree that it's an overreaction, but let's not pretend like liberals are the only ones to enforce the letter of the law over the spirit of it, for political reasons or otherwise. If the shoe were on the other foot, you'd be singing a completely different tune.

Haven't seen the videos, but based on reports it seems like if he had obtained some kind of approval (if there were a way to do so) he'd probably be in the clear.
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#31 Jan 04 2011 at 5:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Was their language? Yes. Was there some nudity? Yes (but very very little from my understanding). Was there any overt or pornographic material? No.

Honestly, the only question is whether or not they violated military policy. Whether or not they were popular or compared to comedy clubs is pretty immaterial.

He admits that he's received multiple complaints over the years and mocks them by saying they were too afraid to complain to his face. I'm not calling for his head on a stake but I sure can't feel sorry for the guy or think he was mistreated either.
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#32 Jan 04 2011 at 5:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Uniform Code of Military Justice wrote:
Joph,

Oh, hi, UCMJ! What up?

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933. ART. 133. CONDUCT UNBECOMING AN OFFICER AND A GENTLEMAN
Any commissioned officer, cadet, or midshipman who is convicted of conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

Uh huh... uh huh...

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934. ART. 134. GENERAL ARTICLE
Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.

Right. Got it. See you later, UCMJ!
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#33 Jan 04 2011 at 6:24 PM Rating: Decent
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varusword75 wrote:
Just so I understand you our military can't burn or desecrate a koran while interogating terrorists because we don't want to upset or offend the world muslim community but you same whacked out liberals refuse to recognize the effect of having que*rs openly serve is going to cause.

Upset or offend the bigoted neoconservative community?
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#34 Jan 04 2011 at 8:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Was their language? Yes. Was there some nudity? Yes (but very very little from my understanding). Was there any overt or pornographic material? No.

Honestly, the only question is whether or not they violated military policy.


Did they? Or did they violate someone's politically correct vision of what military policy should be and no one wanted to tell that person or group to STFU?

I suspect the latter. Obviously, that's just my own opinion though.

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He admits that he's received multiple complaints over the years and mocks them by saying they were too afraid to complain to his face. I'm not calling for his head on a stake but I sure can't feel sorry for the guy or think he was mistreated either.


Sure. I have no real skin in this game either. The guy could have been a complete jerk for all I know and deserved what he got. My point is that this all happened years ago, so it's a bit strange to me that this suddenly comes out now. It just smacks of political agenda rather than military justice. I'm not going to go off an an evil homosexual conspiracy theory or anything (cause that's a bit nuts), but I'd put good money down that he pissed off someone in a high position over something completely unrelated to this, and this is payback for it. I know enough people in the military to know that petty infighting, politicking, and dirty tricks are not that far a stretch, and in some cases for the most ridiculous of reasons.


He probably banged some Admiral's wife, or parked in someone's space, or ran over their dog. Who knows? It almost certainly has nothing to do with military policy though.
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#35 Jan 04 2011 at 8:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Did they?

Beats me. Go look it up.

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I suspect the latter.

Of course you do. You wouldn't be you if you didn't cry "Liberal agenda!" at every shadow and falling leaf.
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#36 Jan 04 2011 at 8:36 PM Rating: Good
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I suspect the latter.

Of course you do. You wouldn't be you if you didn't cry "Liberal agenda!" at every shadow and falling leaf.


Your persecution complex is showing there Joph. I said political correctness, not liberal agenda. And I honestly think that said political correctness was just the tool used to attack this guy, not the cause.

I'm still going with he banged someone's wife.
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#37 Jan 04 2011 at 9:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Your persecution complex is showing there Joph.

lulz irony
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#38REDACTED, Posted: Jan 05 2011 at 9:25 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Debo,
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#39 Jan 05 2011 at 9:35 AM Rating: Good
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Varus's satire is particularly vitriolic this week. I almost believe the hate.
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#40 Jan 05 2011 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
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I don't think I've ever laughed so much at a Varus thread. He's starting off the year in full crazy mode, indeed.
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#41REDACTED, Posted: Jan 05 2011 at 12:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) dukey,
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#42 Jan 05 2011 at 12:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:

The homosexual community, with Obama's assistance, is trying to undermine our military. That's a fact, not crazy talk. That most members of the US military are religious christians is a fact. Judeo-christian principles condemn homosexuality as a sin and deviant behaviour that's a fact.


Oddly enough the Bible also says "Thou Shalt Not Kill."

Huh. Good Christians, those soldiers!

I mean, all of that is moot. Are you really saying that the military is a religious branch? If the answer is no, then the religion of its members does not matter unless it is interfering with their ability to perform their duties.

The Koran burning is pretty obvious. When fighting against a theocratic culture, as much of the Middle East is, it helps not to antagonize the population you're trying to "liberate." If the US invades the Vatican, by all means I'll be happy to listen to your "We should burn Bibles!" argument Smiley: nod
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The homosexual community, with Obama's assistance, is trying to undermine our military. That's a fact, not crazy talk. That most members of the US military are religious christians is a fact. Judeo-christian principles condemn homosexuality as a sin and deviant behaviour that's a fact.
Isn't it also a sin to sleep with women whom you are not married to? Guess those **** can pray for forgiveness just like you.
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#44 Jan 05 2011 at 12:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm still waiting for you liberals to explain how you can pretend to be concerned about muslims feelings in one instance (the koran burning) and then completely ignore them in another (homosexuals in the military).

I didn't care when the guy was going to burn the Korans. I thought it was juvenile and dopey (much like relying on religion for "shock art") but they were presumably his books so what he did with them was his business.

That was easy.
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#45REDACTED, Posted: Jan 05 2011 at 1:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Locked,
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Isn't the part of the bible quoted the most against homosexuality in the old testament?

I thought you Christians threw that thing out years ago.
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#47 Jan 05 2011 at 2:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Of course just your elected Democrat officials, and Obama, had a problem with it and made it known they had a problem with it.

Ok, so... ask them? what I said at the time was:
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If it's your Koran? Sure. Burn it all you want. **** on it. Rub it on pigs. Bury it in a giant pile of compost.

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Must be convienent being able to pretend you don't care about something your elected officials are so outspoken on.

It's even easier not to care about things I don't care about. I can save a lot of calories that way.
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Isn't the part of the bible quoted the most against homosexuality in the old testament?

Paul grumbles about it in Romans.
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Bible also says "Thou Shalt Not Kill."


No it doesn't. Of course radicals like yourself never bother to find out the truth of this and therefore keep spouting the lie.


Born and raised Catholic here, and I can tell you the Church uses "kill." As Catholicism is by far the largest sect of Christianity (encompassing over one billion adherents), I daresay your view is the minority when compared to theirs. Besides, Catholics consider all other denominations "radicals." Smiley: tongue

I guess you never bothered to learn much outside of Southern Baptism, huh?

Edited, Jan 5th 2011 3:07pm by LockeColeMA
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#50REDACTED, Posted: Jan 05 2011 at 2:15 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ugly,
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Ugly,

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Isn't it also a sin to sleep with women whom you are not married to?


Yes...But I don't pretend it's not, or that i'm perfect.

The homosexual community is attempting to force society to believe that there is nothing wrong in what they're doing.


And legally that should be true. Morally, people can believe whatever they want. Same with sleeping around (heterosexually). Both can be dangerous or safe depending on the actions of the people involved. But religion shouldn't dictate what is done or not. Obviously you know that's how the US works, but you just refuse to accept it, but it's worth saying again Smiley: grin
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