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#77 Dec 07 2010 at 2:28 PM Rating: Good
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#78 Dec 07 2010 at 3:41 PM Rating: Default
bsphil,

And MOST of the deficit has been created over the last 2yrs.

#79 Dec 07 2010 at 4:08 PM Rating: Good
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bsphil,

And MOST of the deficit has been created over the last 2yrs.



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#80 Dec 07 2010 at 4:08 PM Rating: Good
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bsphil,

And MOST of the deficit has been created over the last 2yrs.

This could possibly have anything to do with anyone but Obama, of course. Right, guys? Am I right?
#81 Dec 07 2010 at 4:20 PM Rating: Default
Punk,

Yeah you're full of it.


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In the first 19 months of the Obama administration, the federal debt held by the public increased by $2.5260 trillion, which is more than the cumulative total of the national debt held by the public that was amassed by all U.S. presidents from George Washington through Ronald Reagan


Suck on that you pinko commy baby killing f*g.


http://cnsnews.com/news/article/72404
#82 Dec 07 2010 at 5:41 PM Rating: Good
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Punk,

Yeah you're full of it.


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In the first 19 months of the Obama administration, the federal debt held by the public increased by $2.5260 trillion, which is more than the cumulative total of the national debt held by the public that was amassed by all U.S. presidents from George Washington through Ronald Reagan


Suck on that you pinko commy baby killing f*g.


http://cnsnews.com/news/article/72404


Is that supposed to prove your point or something? Why'd they stop at Reagan? Probably because Reagan borrowed more than every president before him combined. Bush (43) further doubled the public debt by spending over 5 trillion, more than every president before him combined and sent us into a recession to boot. So no, MOST of the deficit has not been created in the last two years.
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#83 Dec 07 2010 at 6:40 PM Rating: Decent
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And whether she wants to or not amiright!?
#84 Dec 07 2010 at 6:53 PM Rating: Good
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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/05q3/nissan_altima_se-r-short_take_road_test/specs_page_2

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How much Altima is too much? Nissan dares to find out with the Altima SE-R, cranking up the butch by adding 10 horsepower, a rigid suspension, and forged 18-inch wheels wearing super-stick summer tires. The Altima 3.5SE with 250 horsepower is pleasantly sweet; the Altima SE-R wants to be two Hershey bars washed down with a Coke. Hope you like Nissan's brand of sugar buzz.



http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/05q3/nissan_altima_se-r-short_take_road_test



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provide real cornering grip - squirting bend to bend - long hand wave - beanpole slides through - cockpit - the driver's seat bulges with a sort of codpiece between your legs - leather - gushes - six-CD changer - modest rump - stiff - commodious package


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#85 Dec 07 2010 at 9:45 PM Rating: Good
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Joph,

NO a 2005 altima SER...there is a difference. The 05 altima is what the people who can't afford the ser get.


Since the current Altima SER costs about the same that I paid for my car, I think you got ripped off. ;)
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#86 Dec 07 2010 at 10:45 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
varusword75 wrote:
Joph,

NO a 2005 altima SER...there is a difference. The 05 altima is what the people who can't afford the ser get.


Since the current Altima SER costs about the same that I paid for my car, I think you got ripped off. ;)

Yea, I agree. I just "built" an Altima SR, since there is apparently no SER available, and compared it to a Hyundai Sonata 2.0T. The Sonata has 4 more HP, costs $6000 less, and gets better mileage than their 4 cylinder version.
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#87 Dec 07 2010 at 11:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Timmmmy


Careful with that...

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#89 Dec 08 2010 at 8:05 AM Rating: Default
Gbaji,

If I had bought it this year you might have a point. But of course we both know the minute you drive the car off the lot it's value goes down.

#90 Dec 08 2010 at 8:06 AM Rating: Good
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Gbaji,

If I had bought it this year you might have a point. But of course we both know the minute you drive the car off the lot it's value goes down.

That's not universally true.
#91 Dec 08 2010 at 8:06 AM Rating: Default
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since there is apparently no SER available


And that's why I bought it.

#92 Dec 08 2010 at 8:12 AM Rating: Default
floyd,

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The Washington Post reports that in 2009, under the Obama administration, federal spending has risen by 16 percent, the highest levels since the Census Bureau began compiling data in 1983.



Federal domestic spending increased a record 16 percent to $3.2 trillion in 2009, the Census Bureau reported Tuesday, largely because of a boost in aid to the unemployed and the huge economic stimulus package enacted to rescue the sinking economy.

The rise in spending was the largest since the Census Bureau began compiling the data in 1983. The Washington region was among the biggest beneficiaries of the government's spending.



Fact is Obama makes W look like an amateur when it comes to spending the american peoples money.







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#93 Dec 08 2010 at 8:13 AM Rating: Default
Moe,

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That's not universally true.


Yes it is.

#94 Dec 08 2010 at 11:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Assuming your payrolls/tax systems work the same as ours a company has to contribute to the employment benefits, old age pensions and there are caps on these. Every employee you drop in hours to add another, means one more person not hitting the cap, meaning more paid. Benefits take a hit, as it costs far more to cover benefits of 3 30 hour people than it does 2 45 hour people. There's also the added need for more support positions, in departments like HR, that increase costs due to more people being employed.


Ah, that makes sense, but it's a systemic problem rather than a fundamental one, so there are surely workarounds if policy is adjusted.

A fundamental problem; however, would be that certain professions are highly dependent on expertise. For example, it's probably still in the nation's best interest if doctors still work 40 hour weeks. So rather than some universal change to the overtime legislation, you'd need an elaborate system of exceptions, I suppose. Still very manageable.

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There is a credit-worthiness crunch, but that's no fault of anyone but the dumbasses that over-extended themselves and couldn't keep up their credit ratings.


Does the term "predatory lending" mean anything to you?

#95 Dec 08 2010 at 4:35 PM Rating: Decent
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varusword75 wrote:
Gbaji,

If I had bought it this year you might have a point. But of course we both know the minute you drive the car off the lot it's value goes down.

That's not universally true.


True or not, it's irrelevant. I'm comparing the relative prices of a "new" version of the car he got to the "new" version of the car I got. And then I'm comparing what that "new" car gets you. I was a bit surprised to find that the last new year price for the Altima SER was almost exactly the same as the new price of my car, but that it's vastly inferior in pretty much every way (except I suppose mileage, and it's not that much better). Smaller engine, 2/3rds the horse power, half again the 0-60 time, less room, less cargo space, inferior handling and balance, etc.

Oh, but on the issue of retaining value, I expect I'll do a bit better there as well. Sucks that GM closed down that division when they finally hit on something really good. Good for me though, I suppose. :)
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#96 Dec 08 2010 at 4:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I think it'd be less of an issue either way if the government were more efficient with its spending. Business owners need capital to spend on expanding their businesses, but the lower/middle class also need money in order to buy the products that said businesses offer.

A lot of problems would be solved in my opinion if we were able to get rid of all the inefficiencies in government. The redundant spending, the cushy jobs/pensions for friends of politicians or lobbyists and just a general streamlining of the government in general.

#97 Dec 08 2010 at 4:50 PM Rating: Default
Gbaji,

and your car is?
#98 Dec 08 2010 at 4:53 PM Rating: Good
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Gbaji,

and your car is?

I believe he drives an '09 Pontiac G8, but I could be wrong.
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#99 Dec 08 2010 at 4:54 PM Rating: Decent
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A lot of problems would be solved in my opinion if we were able to get rid of all the inefficiencies in government. The redundant spending, the cushy jobs/pensions for friends of politicians or lobbyists and just a general streamlining of the government in general.


Some things the government does inefficiently the private sector does worse.

I mean, people who talk about inefficient government spending act like businesses never fail all on their own.
#100 Dec 08 2010 at 4:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Assuming your payrolls/tax systems work the same as ours a company has to contribute to the employment benefits, old age pensions and there are caps on these. Every employee you drop in hours to add another, means one more person not hitting the cap, meaning more paid. Benefits take a hit, as it costs far more to cover benefits of 3 30 hour people than it does 2 45 hour people. There's also the added need for more support positions, in departments like HR, that increase costs due to more people being employed.


Ah, that makes sense, but it's a systemic problem rather than a fundamental one, so there are surely workarounds if policy is adjusted.


The workarounds tend to introduce similar problems though. And frankly, none of this addresses the core flaw with the idea. How is having more people work for less hours actually help things? Sure, you'll decrease relative unemployment, but people will earn less money relatively speaking. I vividly recall back in the 2004/2005 time period when we'd have debates about the economy, and I'd point out that unemployment was good, the liberals on this board would insist that it was a false statistic because more people were working part time and minimum wage jobs.

Um... So imagine my surprise when this is hailed as the "solution" to our employment problems. Hmmm!

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A fundamental problem; however, would be that certain professions are highly dependent on expertise. For example, it's probably still in the nation's best interest if doctors still work 40 hour weeks. So rather than some universal change to the overtime legislation, you'd need an elaborate system of exceptions, I suppose. Still very manageable.


I'm not sure what you're talking about. Before you propose a solution, it might help to actually define the problem and what you hope to gain by making changes. The "problem" is that right now employers are not sure if hiring more workers will net them more profits. It's a pretty clear cut "cost of employing someone compared to the profit their labor will create" equation. Anything which makes employing someone more expensive, or which reduces the profit generated by employing someone is "bad" in the context of employment. Anything which makes employing someone less expensive or increases the profit generated by employing someone is "good".

Now, look at the policies that the Dems have been pushing consistently in this area. Why is anyone surprised that unemployment has gone *up* since they took control? They have done exactly the opposite of what you should do if you want to help people keep and/or gain jobs.
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#101 Dec 08 2010 at 4:56 PM Rating: Good
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A lot of problems would be solved in my opinion if we were able to get rid of all the inefficiencies in government. The redundant spending, the cushy jobs/pensions for friends of politicians or lobbyists and just a general streamlining of the government in general.


Some things the government does inefficiently the private sector does worse.

I mean, people who talk about inefficient government spending act like businesses never fail all on their own.

Yes, but in many cases the government would fail in those same areas *without* unlimited spending as they seem to have.
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