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#52 Dec 07 2010 at 6:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Short term, sure. Long term, you'd be looking at more people unemployed as labour costs induce bankruptcy of companies.


How so? It's just a redistribution of labor. Companies wouldn't have to pay any more for labor than they do now, just spread it out among more people.
#53 Dec 07 2010 at 6:12 AM Rating: Good
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whereas the rich don't necessarily spend all of the money they make


I hate to break this to you but most of the "rich" don't pay ANY income taxes to begin with.

You know who do pay most of these taxes...small business owners.


Why the hell do you keep harping on small businesses? The only think you know about them is you work for one. You sure as hell don't own one.


Because his father owns a floundering business, and his father blames all the poor decision that he has made on the government, because it obviously couldn't be his fault that he isn't a multi-millionaire yet, because man, this is America, and that **** happens all the time. If the government would stop keeping him down and lower the tax rate to zero he'd be rolling in the Benjamins.

Varus has just picked up the rhetoric through osmosis and isn't bright enough to filter it and realize that the old man is a crank.

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#54 Dec 07 2010 at 7:07 AM Rating: Good
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Short term, sure. Long term, you'd be looking at more people unemployed as labour costs induce bankruptcy of companies.


How so? It's just a redistribution of labor. Companies wouldn't have to pay any more for labor than they do now, just spread it out among more people.
Assuming your payrolls/tax systems work the same as ours a company has to contribute to the employment benefits, old age pensions and there are caps on these. Every employee you drop in hours to add another, means one more person not hitting the cap, meaning more paid. Benefits take a hit, as it costs far more to cover benefits of 3 30 hour people than it does 2 45 hour people. There's also the added need for more support positions, in departments like HR, that increase costs due to more people being employed.

Don't get me wrong, when I toss out that more companies will go bankrupt as a result of that, it's taking the view to the more extreme side of things, but it is a real possibility. More employees is often more expensive and for many more reasons than the ones I listed already. However, it's a unique situation for each company.

Some companies are structured in a way that more part time employees benefits them, but that's usually a result of mandatory wage increases and benefits at certain points in an employee's employment.
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#55 Dec 07 2010 at 7:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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Here's the thing. Businesses don't hire employees until pressure from the employees they have, mostly managers, urgently pass the need for more employees up the line. A manager tells upper management that his/her team isn't keeping up with demand and requests additional head count.

Since the recent crisis, when many companies scaled back their head counts due to decreased demand, a lot of companies are in gridlock. They can't do more business until they hire more workers, and they won't hire more workers until the numbers justify it. They reflect the banking crunch, in fact.

Tax cuts for the wealthy won't help this. Increasing consumer spending will; and that means tax relief for the middle and lower income classes. You know, us.

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#56 Dec 07 2010 at 8:34 AM Rating: Good
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Here's the thing. Businesses don't hire employees until pressure from the employees they have, mostly managers, urgently pass the need for more employees up the line. A manager tells upper management that his/her team isn't keeping up with demand and requests additional head count.

Since the recent crisis, when many companies scaled back their head counts due to decreased demand, a lot of companies are in gridlock. They can't do more business until they hire more workers, and they won't hire more workers until the numbers justify it. They reflect the banking crunch, in fact.

Tax cuts for the wealthy won't help this. Increasing consumer spending will; and that means tax relief for the middle and lower income classes. You know, us.

There is no banking crunch. Banks are begging qualified borrowers to borrow money. There is a credit-worthiness crunch, but that's no fault of anyone but the dumbasses that over-extended themselves and couldn't keep up their credit ratings.
#57 Dec 07 2010 at 9:30 AM Rating: Good
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Here's the thing. Businesses don't hire employees until pressure from the employees they have, mostly managers, urgently pass the need for more employees up the line. A manager tells upper management that his/her team isn't keeping up with demand and requests additional head count.

Since the recent crisis, when many companies scaled back their head counts due to decreased demand, a lot of companies are in gridlock. They can't do more business until they hire more workers, and they won't hire more workers until the numbers justify it. They reflect the banking crunch, in fact.

Tax cuts for the wealthy won't help this. Increasing consumer spending will; and that means tax relief for the middle and lower income classes. You know, us.

There is no banking crunch. Banks are begging qualified borrowers to borrow money. There is a credit-worthiness crunch, but that's no fault of anyone but the dumbasses that over-extended themselves and couldn't keep up their credit ratings.


In many cases, that was because market changes made defaulting a cheaper option, even accounting for the credit hit. Not all, of course, there are plenty of idiots, but a large part of it is self inflicted harm.
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#59 Dec 07 2010 at 9:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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8yrs floundering now.

Pfftt... the automotive and airline industries have been floundering for decades! Eight years is nothin'.

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car paid off this year

You're just paying off a 2005 Altima now in the next year? Do you really work for a gas station and just made up this insurance crap?
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#60 Dec 07 2010 at 10:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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8yrs floundering now.

Pfftt... the automotive and airline industries have been floundering for decades! Eight years is nothin'.

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car paid off this year

You're just paying off a 2005 Altima now in the next year? Do you really work for a gas station and just made up this insurance crap?
Nothing wrong with working at a gas station.
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Nothing wrong with working at a gas station.

There is if you're bragging about how much money you make hawking insurance!
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#62 Dec 07 2010 at 10:29 AM Rating: Good
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Who the fuck are you, and why should We care?


Insipid cunt.

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#63 Dec 07 2010 at 10:35 AM Rating: Default
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05 Altima "ser". Get it right. And yes I'm through with my payments this year. How much longer are you going to be making house payments?

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There is if you're bragging about how much money you make hawking insurance!


If I could only keep thieving bast*rds like you from stealing it.


How many 35yr olds do you know have their house paid off?


I can see why people like you and Nadenu have to spew your jealous filled hatred in my direction. I enjoy freedoms you only get to watch on the boob tube.

#64 Dec 07 2010 at 10:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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05 Altima "ser". Get it right. And yes I'm through with my payments this year. How much longer are you going to be making house payments? How many 35yr olds do you know have their house paid off?


So you do live in your car.
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05 Altima "ser". Get it right.

So a 2005 Altima. Right.
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#66REDACTED, Posted: Dec 07 2010 at 11:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Joph,
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Jophiel wrote:
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05 Altima "ser". Get it right.

So a 2005 Altima. Right.
That car looks about as standard as a car can get. (they don't sell the model here so I had to google it)
#69REDACTED, Posted: Dec 07 2010 at 11:32 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/05q3/nissan_altima_se-r-short_take_road_test/specs_page_2
#70 Dec 07 2010 at 11:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can't believe you are ************ over a f-ing Nissan Altima. You remind me of the Asian teenagers in high school that are stupidly proud of their tricked-out Honda Civics.

Edited, Dec 7th 2010 11:37am by Atomicflea
#71 Dec 07 2010 at 11:58 AM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
Moe,

I f*ck in my car. Does that count?

We screwed in cars as teens because we had to.
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So you're saying I shouldn't put that NOS system in this year?
Of course you should. How else are you going to grab the attention of the 17yr olds?
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#74 Dec 07 2010 at 12:55 PM Rating: Good
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NOS? Really?
I've seen you look pretty pathetic, varus.... but this is low even for you.
#75 Dec 07 2010 at 1:54 PM Rating: Default
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Of course you should. How else are you going to grab the attention of the 17yr olds?


17yr olds are wild these days. They even like when you go ATM.

#76 Dec 07 2010 at 1:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Economy has done pretty poorly for most of 2010 with the Bush tax cuts


The economy has done poorly in 2010 because of Obamacare, all these "stimulus" packages and bailouts. Not to mention the Democrats have been threatening to let the W tax cuts expire for the entire year which has caused businesses to act and plan accordingly.

You do know businesses generally have a plan for how they're going to conduct business in upcoming year don't you?

Sorry, meant to say the decade (2000-2010).
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