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#1 Dec 01 2010 at 2:36 PM Rating: Good
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We've been living in this house for 4 years. Last night some drunk babe wiped out our 3rd mailbox. This mailbox was a fortress. The sots truck might just be totaled, but she's ok.

Here's the thing, my husband is freaking out thinking we're gonna get sued. The code enforcement officer of our town had previously mailed us a letter telling us the mailbox was a permanent structure and not allowed in the town's right-of-way (apparently a mailbox on a post in the ground isn't permanent but set it into the ground with some concrete and now it is). In person though, he told us the letter was just a formality to appease the plowman (this would be the plowman responsible for the loss of an earlier mailbox). I think we could argue out of the permanent structure status at this point.

We took great care in setting the mailbox as far off the road as we could yet still make it accessible to the mail lady. We also had reflector strips on it (there are no street lights on my road).

Anyway, the woman was clearly drunk. She never tried to brake. She just went off the road at full ramming speed at our mailbox. Had the mailbox not stopped her the mongo trees would have - they'd have been less forgiving.

I might be worried except that the woman was really drunk. She didn't get any good evidence of the crime scene like we did.


edit - break /= brake

Edited, Dec 1st 2010 9:38pm by Elinda
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#2 Dec 01 2010 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
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I wouldn't worry about it. There's no indication you deliberately structured your mailbox to harm someone, and as you say, she would have slammed into something else anyway at that point. I am a bit confused about the whole plow thing. Was the city actually trying to argue that if a plow hits your mailbox, that it's somehow your fault if the mailbox doesn't fall over easily enough?

The roadside right of way presumably does not include running over things like mailboxes, fences, signs, etc. As long as your mailbox isn't actually blocking some part of the shoulder, you should be allowed to do whatever the heck you want in terms of the post. I mean, fence posts usually have concrete, right? Are fences not allowed along that road? Is your mailbox post farther forward than a fence post might be?

I don't think anything will come of it. Maybe you should go the other direction with the next mailbox though. Maybe make it out of foam rubber and cardboard?
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#3 Dec 01 2010 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
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Did the cops show up while drunky's car was still in your yard? If so I wouldn't worry about being sued by the woman, considering her blood/alcohol level would probably ruin any chance of a case she had.
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#4 Dec 01 2010 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
What the f'uck is a mongo tree?
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What the f'uck is a mongo tree?


They're big, and they receive candygrams!
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gbaji wrote:
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What the f'uck is a mongo tree?


They're big, and they receive candygrams!


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gbaji wrote:
I mean, fence posts usually have concrete, right? Are fences not allowed along that road? Is your mailbox post farther forward than a fence post might be?

It's very likely that fences aren't allowed along the easement where she's at. There wouldn't be anything unusual about that; it's very common that front yard fences are only allowed to enclose from house to sidewalk. I also wouldn't be surprised if there was an ordinance against "permanent" structures along the easement/right of way. I am a little curious about how they'd expect you to install your mailbox in those circumstances. Just sink a post with no concrete? It sounds more like an ordinance against those brick pillar style affairs but I'm not a code officer in Maine so what do I know?

Either way, I don't know if there's even reason to suspect that the driver would be aware of this or try to pursue it.
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Did the cops show up while drunky's car was still in your yard? If so I wouldn't worry about being sued by the woman, considering her blood/alcohol level would probably ruin any chance of a case she had.
yeah, the cop did a sobriety test on her. But, she also had attempted to get rid of her beer by throwing it our her window. But then her door was jammed and she couldn't get out of the truck. When the first cop arrived the beers were right outside her window, she had her radio cranked and was singing loudly along to an old Rush song.

gbaji, yes in fact the plow guys would rather stuff falls over easy. It's less hard on their trucks and themselves. In fact, a lot of people out here have mailboxes on swing arms - if they're hit they swing out and then back into position. The post and the base of this mailbox were 1/4 plate steel set into a 1.5' x 1.5' x 4' concrete filled conix (sp) box. No fences would be allowed on the right away. The town I suppose could put one in for traffic safety if necessary, but not us.

It's like the sinking of the titanic. My husband had been building the thing for the last year. It was only in use for about the last two months.





Edited, Dec 1st 2010 10:20pm by Elinda
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What the f'uck is a mongo tree?
I was going to ask the same thing, but then I was too lazy to Google it and I didn't feel like looking stupid.

Also, they're only pawns in the game of life.
#10 Dec 01 2010 at 3:17 PM Rating: Good
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What the f'uck is a mongo tree?
I was going to ask the same thing, but then I was too lazy to Google it and I didn't feel like looking stupid.

Also, they're only pawns in the game of life.
Lol, large...very large trees. Is mongo not used anymore?
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Have you considered switching to a floor-safe type mailbox? People won't be able to run into it unless the have a snowplow attached, unless you place it just below ground level.
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#12 Dec 01 2010 at 3:20 PM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
Professor AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
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What the f'uck is a mongo tree?
I was going to ask the same thing, but then I was too lazy to Google it and I didn't feel like looking stupid.

Also, they're only pawns in the game of life.
Lol, large...very large trees. Is mongo not used anymore?


Is it one of these? This is a Mango Tree.
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#13 Dec 01 2010 at 3:23 PM Rating: Good
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Have you considered switching to a floor-safe type mailbox? People won't be able to run into it unless the have a snowplow attached, unless you place it just below ground level.
We're considering a PO Box.

After the last mailbox was broke off its post we just set it into a garbage can filled sand until we could get a permanent one back into the ground. That worked surprisingly well.
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Elinda wrote:
gbaji, yes in fact the plow guys would rather stuff falls over easy. It's less hard on their trucks and themselves. In fact, a lot of people out here have mailboxes on swing arms - if they're hit they swing out and then back into position. The post and the base of this mailbox were 1/4 plate steel set into a 1.5' x 1.5' x 4' concrete filled conix (sp) box. No fences would be allowed on the right away. The town I suppose could put one in for traffic safety if necessary, but not us.


From the picture, it looks like you did everything you could to avoid the dreaded plowman (yours was on a swing arm as well, right?). But I suppose there's nothing you can really do to avoid some drunk veering off the road and hitting the thing. You could put up a whole series of those water filled barrels they use at highway intersections or something, but I suppose the city might not think that looks so great (probably not the neighbors either).

I'm thinking you'll just have to wait until someone invents a force field technology that will gently but firmly push aside plows and drunk drivers alike. Until then, you're just screwed.
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You could turn the section of the shoulder in front of your house into a moat.
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#16 Dec 01 2010 at 4:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Can you ask her insurance to pay you the damages and use it to offset the cost of a swing-arm mailbox?
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Bumper lanes could have prevented this.
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Bumper lanes could have prevented this.


Or bumper cars!
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Chain a full grown deer to your mailbox. Those things will fuck up a car before it hits the post.
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Install a decoy mailbox to lure the vehicle away from the real one. Don't forget to cover it in mailbox scent.
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Install a decoy mailbox to lure the vehicle away from the real one. Don't forget to cover it in mailbox scent.


You could even get a mail call.
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You could buy a radio controlled helicopter and teach it to go fetch your mail every day!
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#25 Dec 02 2010 at 2:11 AM Rating: Good
Ah, it'll probably be fine. Pretty sure a mailbox sunk in concrete is a permanent structure, though. I don't know how the ordinance defines the term, but it'd definitely qualify as a fixture.
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Elinda,

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The post and the base of this mailbox were 1/4 plate steel set into a 1.5' x 1.5' x 4' concrete filled conix (sp) box


It took your husband a year to do this?
Some of us, and by "some" I mean "the vast majority", actually work for a living rather than selling a product that people shouldn't need in the first place.
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