http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20101130_Family__New_Jersey_man_serving_7_years_for_guns_he_owned_legally.html
Just another radical yankee liberal judge ignorning the consitution for his own ideology, which apparently condones beastiality.
You know what I have to say to this guy who is now serving hard time for having a couple of legally owned unloaded handguns in the trunk of his car: vote republican.
Edited, Nov 30th 2010 3:13pm by varusword75
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You forgot to mention that he had hollow point rounds and large capacity magazines with the guns. Even if the guns are legally purchased and licensed just owning hollow points is a serious offense in Jersey. He was screwed as soon as he crossed the state lines with them in his possession.
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Based on the details presented in the story, the judge and prosecuting attorneys are morons. This has little to do with politics, however.
Even if true, he was clearly in a transient state at the time. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, but the sentence is excessive. A simple fine would be sufficient in this case, IMO.
Edited, Nov 30th 2010 2:26pm by BrownDuck
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Even if the guns are legally purchased and licensed just owning hollow points is a serious offense in Jersey. He was screwed as soon as he crossed the state lines with them in his possession.
Even if true, he was clearly in a transient state at the time. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, but the sentence is excessive. A simple fine would be sufficient in this case, IMO.
Edited, Nov 30th 2010 2:26pm by BrownDuck
What the crap does this have to do with beastiality...?
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
What the crap does this have to do with beastiality...?
The shortest path between two points is a straight line, except for Varus.
Edited, Nov 30th 2010 2:36pm by BrownDuck
varusword75 wrote:
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20101130_Family__New_Jersey_man_serving_7_years_for_guns_he_owned_legally.html
Just another radical yankee liberal judge ignorning the consitution for his own ideology, which apparently condones beastiality.
You know what I have to say to this guy who is now serving hard time for having a couple of legally owned unloaded handguns in the trunk of his car: vote republican.
Edited, Nov 30th 2010 3:13pm by varusword75
Just another radical yankee liberal judge ignorning the consitution for his own ideology, which apparently condones beastiality.
You know what I have to say to this guy who is now serving hard time for having a couple of legally owned unloaded handguns in the trunk of his car: vote republican.
Edited, Nov 30th 2010 3:13pm by varusword75
The article Varus links mentions that the judge presiding over the case also ruled in a cop's favor after he was caught facehugging a bunch of baby cows.
Edit: Beat by Varus, but I think my explanation is better if not blatant.
Edited, Nov 30th 2010 3:40pm by Shaowstrike
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Maybe if the Republicans had not spent the last 9 years hyping Terrorist fear mania non stop, perhaps this wouldn't have happened.
Wow, that is one distraught article.
I have no idea what the various laws, etc are but this is why we have an appeals process. So, when you think Blind Justice done did you wrong, you can get a second opinion rather than wailing about how now your life is ruined.
I have no idea what the various laws, etc are but this is why we have an appeals process. So, when you think Blind Justice done did you wrong, you can get a second opinion rather than wailing about how now your life is ruined.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
Wow, that is one distraught article.
I have no idea what the various laws, etc are but this is why we have an appeals process. So, when you think Blind Justice done did you wrong, you can get a second opinion rather than wailing about how now your life is ruined.
I have no idea what the various laws, etc are but this is why we have an appeals process. So, when you think Blind Justice done did you wrong, you can get a second opinion rather than wailing about how now your life is ruined.
Except that your life is ruined while you are imprisoned during the appeals process.
I'd like to know what qualifies as a "large capacity" magazine. After market extended mags, or simply magazines that hold over X amount of bullets.
Also like to know why hollow points are illegal just to own in NJ. It's not like he was packing steel spiked "cop killers".
Also like to know why hollow points are illegal just to own in NJ. It's not like he was packing steel spiked "cop killers".
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Posted: Nov 30 2010 at 3:08 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Hollow point bullets are vicious. You get hit with one and you're a goner.
varusword75 wrote:
Hollow point bullets are vicious. You get hit with one and you're a goner.
Blanket ignorance once again. Hollow points are designed for two purposes - maximum tissue damage and controlled penetration. Therefore, hollow points are ideal for home-defense rounds.
In fact, the state of NJ distinguishes this fact.
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N.J. Rev. Stat § 2C:39-1y. New Jersey bans the possession and use of hollowpoint ammunition, with the notable exemption for ammunition possessed inside one's home or on one's property, or for use during specific activities, i.e. hunting or at shooting ranges.[207]. Hollowpoint ammunition is available for unrestricted purchase from most retailers wherever firearms are sold, and may be transported by purchasers without special licensing.
The ban is not absolute.
Jimpadan wrote:
I'd like to know what qualifies as a "large capacity" magazine. After market extended mags, or simply magazines that hold over X amount of bullets.
According to the internet a standard 9mm handgun (which is what I'm assuming he owned) can have a standard magazine of anywhere from 15 to 20 rounds, my guess is that he had a 30+ round magazine. Or a magazine used for machine pistols.
Edited, Nov 30th 2010 4:16pm by Shaowstrike
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BrownDuck wrote:
Except that your life is ruined while you are imprisoned during the appeals process.
Depends a lot on your lawyer. I've no real opinion on this case so I'm not going to get too worked up about his life being "ruined" during the process. For all I know, he's in legitimate violation of the law. My point was just that the article reads more like an editorial than a news story.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I'm aware of the ballistics of hollow points, as well as FMJ, steel core, fragmentation, and "shot" rounds. My point being that certain rounds are outlawed not cause of their ability to kill the average joe but their ability to kill cops.
Steel spiked ammunition is strictly outlawed (in every state iirc) because of its ability to penetrate kevlar body armor. Hollow points on the other hand will not penetrate.
I can only guess that hollow points are outlawed in NJ because of the carnage from stray bullets hitting non-combatants.
Steel spiked ammunition is strictly outlawed (in every state iirc) because of its ability to penetrate kevlar body armor. Hollow points on the other hand will not penetrate.
I can only guess that hollow points are outlawed in NJ because of the carnage from stray bullets hitting non-combatants.
Jophiel wrote:
BrownDuck wrote:
Except that your life is ruined while you are imprisoned during the appeals process.
Depends a lot on your lawyer. I've no real opinion on this case so I'm not going to get too worked up about his life being "ruined" during the process. For all I know, he's in legitimate violation of the law. My point was just that the article reads more like an editorial than a news story.
Sure. I'm not debating whether or not he violated the law. To some degree, he must have, or he wouldn't have been found guilty. I'm just saying, based on what I know, I think the case was bogus and the decision will probably be reversed if an appeal is granted. Either way, it doesn't seem (again, with my limited knowledge of the case) that there was any intent to harm, and possession alone does not really indicate either way. Appeals can take months (or years), during which time this man is (potentially) unjustly imprisoned. To state simply that
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you can get a second opinion rather than wailing about how now your life is ruined.
completely ignores the time spent incarcerated while the appeals process takes place.
Jimpadan wrote:
Steel spiked ammunition is strictly outlawed (in every state iirc) because of its ability to penetrate kevlar body armor. Hollow points on the other hand will not penetrate.
You make it sound like the bullets are covered in steel spikes. IIRC the main bullet type outlawed in all states are Teflon coated rounds, specifically Rhino brand ammo.
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Jimpadan wrote:
I'd like to know what qualifies as a "large capacity" magazine. After market extended mags, or simply magazines that hold over X amount of bullets.
According to the internet a standard 9mm handgun (which is what I'm assuming he owned) can have a standard magazine of anywhere from 15 to 20 rounds, my guess is that he had a 30+ round magazine. Or a magazine used for machine pistols.
Actually, I was curious myself so I looked it up:
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/newjersey.pdf wrote:
New Jersey prohibits the manufacture, transport, shipment, sale or disposal of large capacity ammunition magazines, unless the magazine is intended to be used for authorized military or law enforcement purposes. N.J. Rev. Stat § 2C:39-9h. New Jersey law defines “large capacity ammunition magazine†as a box, drum, tube or other container which is capable of holding more than 15 rounds of ammunition to be fed continuously and directly into a semi-automatic firearm. Section 2C:39-1y
What they don't say in the article is exactly how "large capacity" this man's clips were. For example, he may have had a Glock with a capacity of 17 rounds. Doing so would clearly violate the law, but IMO, not justify the sentence handed down.
Edited, Nov 30th 2010 4:03pm by BrownDuck
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Hardly matters really. They have been slaughtered, skinned, eviscerated, chopped up, minced and liquefied by now anyway.
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Edited, Nov 30th 2010 10:11pm by paulsol
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
Double oops
Edited, Nov 30th 2010 10:09pm by paulsol
Edited, Nov 30th 2010 10:09pm by paulsol
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
BrownDuck wrote:
Appeals can take months (or years), during which time this man is (potentially) unjustly imprisoned.
Hrm. It says he's in prison awaiting appeal but I know that you can receive bail while awaiting appeal as well. I wonder if it was denied, he just never asked or it was set and he's just not taking them up on it.
Googling along, another story states that...
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Bewley [public information officer from the prosecutor's office] said the trial judge denied Aitken’s bail, pending his appeal.
“The Appellate Division refused to hear his motion for bail while he appeals the case, which is generally an indicator that the appeals court sees no substantial or valid legal challenge,†Bewley said.
“The Appellate Division refused to hear his motion for bail while he appeals the case, which is generally an indicator that the appeals court sees no substantial or valid legal challenge,†Bewley said.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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He was screwed the second he entered NJ.
Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Jimpadan wrote:
Steel spiked ammunition is strictly outlawed (in every state iirc) because of its ability to penetrate kevlar body armor. Hollow points on the other hand will not penetrate.
You make it sound like the bullets are covered in steel spikes. IIRC the main bullet type outlawed in all states are Teflon coated rounds, specifically Rhino brand ammo.
What I'm referring to are rounds that have a steel/tungsten spike at the core. Pistol rounds that are specifically designed to penetrate Kevlar body armor. Picture a hydra shok bullet with the spike being steel instead of lead. All the advantages of hollow points with the added effect of piercing body armor.
Teflon rounds refer to tungsten rounds that were coated in Teflon to alleviate barrel wear due to the bullets being harder than the barrel.
Bottom line is I'm talking about armor piercing pistol rounds.
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