Almalieque wrote:
paulsol wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
you people
I'm sorry
Yes. You certainly are.
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Yes. You certainly are.
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paulsol wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
paulsol wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
you people
I'm sorry
Yes. You certainly are.
You're soooo original...
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
#155Almalieque,
Posted: Dec 16 2010 at 8:41 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yea.. I hope he goes back to jail..... then again... he's an easier target outside of jail...
Almalieque wrote:
paulsol wrote:
Yea.. I hope he goes back to jail..... then again... he's an easier target outside of jail...
You should move to a really repressed country.....like Burma, or Saudi Arabia. Or North Korea. I think you may feel right at home there, what with your love affair with authoritarianism and your inability to think for yourself. Tho the good ol' US of A has some way to go yet, but judging by some of the idiotic comments from some your elected oficials calling for Assanges demise maybe you are in the right place after all.
Edited, Dec 17th 2010 7:15am by paulsol
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#157Almalieque,
Posted: Dec 17 2010 at 5:53 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Inability to think for myself? WTF?
You're a ******* ****** Alma.
#159Almalieque,
Posted: Dec 17 2010 at 3:04 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Really? Why don't you answer the question? Oh that's right, because you're an idiot...
Almalieque wrote:
Name me ONE country that wouldn't mind in the least bit that their secrets are being broadcast to the world.
Countries that 'mind' would, or should, use legal methods to halt the leakage of thir secrets.
Countries like SA and Nth Korea etc, you would expect to use more 'medieval' methods to stop the leaker. By saying "he's an easier target outside of jail... ", you are aligning your country with NK (for example).
It sounds like you would be more comfortable living in an informational black hole and being told what to think by your authorities.
Do you understand??
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
#161Almalieque,
Posted: Dec 17 2010 at 5:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Who said anything about the US being the country to target him? You're making fallacious assumptions to avoid the fact that no country would approve someone leaking their secrets.
You know, what Paulsol said was pretty clear. Yet somehow you completely missed his point. Not surprising I suppose.
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
You know, what Paulsol said was pretty clear. Yet somehow you completely missed his point. Not surprising I suppose.
His point was that targeting him outside of jail is a "medieval" type of behavior that only countries like the Democratic of Korea would do and that I would be better suited there. Furthermore, that belief was aligning "my country" to those countries.
What exactly did I miss??? Seems like you failed to miss my counter... Not surprising I suppose.
Almalieque wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
You know, what Paulsol said was pretty clear. Yet somehow you completely missed his point. Not surprising I suppose.
His point was that targeting him outside of jail is a "medieval" type of behavior that only countries like the Democratic of Korea would do and that I would be better suited there. Furthermore, that belief was aligning "my country" to those countries.
What exactly did I miss??? Seems like you failed to miss my counter... Not surprising I suppose.
I think the point was your apparent eagerness for someone to "get him" while he's out of jail since that makes him an easier target.
Now, to be fair, in an earlier thread I expressed and opinion that the US government should put him in the same category as any other foreigner running what is for all intents and purposes an espionage operation against the US and its allies. If the CIA had an opportunity to take out the head of an enemy intelligence gathering operation, they'd presumably do it if they could get away with it quietly and depending on the details (where, how, etc).
I guess where I differ is that to me that is "legal". I suppose we could go after him for charges of running an espionage operation, but there are very real issues with that. There's a reason why we never charged members of the KGB (for example) with domestic crimes. We just took them out, or fed them false information, or otherwise messed with them. I'm not aware of any reason why Assange should be viewed any differently. In fact, I'd assume that he's not. But the US government isn't going to tell anyone that...
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
You know, what Paulsol said was pretty clear. Yet somehow you completely missed his point. Not surprising I suppose.
His point was that targeting him outside of jail is a "medieval" type of behavior that only countries like the Democratic of Korea would do and that I would be better suited there. Furthermore, that belief was aligning "my country" to those countries.
What exactly did I miss??? Seems like you failed to miss my counter... Not surprising I suppose.
I think the point was your apparent eagerness for someone to "get him" while he's out of jail since that makes him an easier target.
Now, to be fair, in an earlier thread I expressed and opinion that the US government should put him in the same category as any other foreigner running what is for all intents and purposes an espionage operation against the US and its allies. If the CIA had an opportunity to take out the head of an enemy intelligence gathering operation, they'd presumably do it if they could get away with it quietly and depending on the details (where, how, etc).
I guess where I differ is that to me that is "legal". I suppose we could go after him for charges of running an espionage operation, but there are very real issues with that. There's a reason why we never charged members of the KGB (for example) with domestic crimes. We just took them out, or fed them false information, or otherwise messed with them. I'm not aware of any reason why Assange should be viewed any differently. In fact, I'd assume that he's not. But the US government isn't going to tell anyone that...
I got that point, as I stated it twice now. My counter was that I didn't ever specify that a U.S. citizen should "get him". He fallaciously assumed that in order to bypass the fact that NO COUNTRY supports their secrets being exposed.
People are acting like the U.S is acting in a way that any other country wouldn't, so I asked a simple question, what country wouldn't mind their secrets being exposed? No one has answered that because there isn't a country.
Almalieque wrote:
People are acting like the U.S is acting in a way that any other country wouldn't
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
People are acting like the U.S is acting in a way that any other country wouldn't
To be completely fair though, those are not contradictory statements. Unless you think that Alma is the US government, that is.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
I'm barely even following this thread, and it's pretty obvious that most people will consider a statement like, "I think someone should off him while he's out," as equivocal to, "I think the US should off him while he's out."
I mean, the word "should" implies prudence if not outright morality. To suggest that it would be wise or just for someone to do something generally transfers pretty plainly to thinking that your country would be wise or just to do it.
I mean, the word "should" implies prudence if not outright morality. To suggest that it would be wise or just for someone to do something generally transfers pretty plainly to thinking that your country would be wise or just to do it.
Kachi wrote:
I'm barely even following this thread, and it's pretty obvious that most people will consider a statement like, "I think someone should off him while he's out," as equivocal to, "I think the US should off him while he's out."
I don't think that.
But just the fact that he thinks someone should assassinate him "aligns" him with the political leanings of North Korea.
Then again, wanting to have someone from another country do the dirty work also aligns him with the US, considering our penchant for sending people to other countries to have them tortured.
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I don't think that.
But just the fact that he thinks someone should assassinate him "aligns" him with the political leanings of North Korea.
Then again, wanting to have someone from another country do the dirty work also aligns him with the US, considering our penchant for sending people to other countries to have them tortured.
But just the fact that he thinks someone should assassinate him "aligns" him with the political leanings of North Korea.
Then again, wanting to have someone from another country do the dirty work also aligns him with the US, considering our penchant for sending people to other countries to have them tortured.
I should rephrase that. Not the US specifically, just "my country." At least with a sentiment as extreme as wishing death, most people tend to think that their nation should do the things that they themselves would like done.
Kachi wrote:
Quote:
I don't think that.
But just the fact that he thinks someone should assassinate him "aligns" him with the political leanings of North Korea.
Then again, wanting to have someone from another country do the dirty work also aligns him with the US, considering our penchant for sending people to other countries to have them tortured.
But just the fact that he thinks someone should assassinate him "aligns" him with the political leanings of North Korea.
Then again, wanting to have someone from another country do the dirty work also aligns him with the US, considering our penchant for sending people to other countries to have them tortured.
I should rephrase that. Not the US specifically, just "my country." At least with a sentiment as extreme as wishing death, most people tend to think that their nation should do the things that they themselves would like done.
My God, it was a freaking joke, but I'll continue to go along, because either way you're STILL wrong.
If you would just answer the question that everyone is ignoring, it would help make sense to you. What country do you know doesn't mind their secrets being exposed? The answer is NONE. That includes countries such as North Korea.
Do you think these secrets that are being released are only in reference to the US and don't include foreign countries? You don't think that the U.S. has secret information on countries that they might be fighting, you know kinda like North Korea? So, don't you think countries, such as North Korea, would get upset if their secrets were exposed by a guy? Soooooooooooooooo..... don't you think countries, such as North Korea, would want him dead for doing such activities?
Don't you think if the U.S. were out to just blatantly kill him, he would already be dead? He's not dead because of the politics. Furthermore, if another country like North Korea just so happened to kill him, then that would be plus for a lot of countries. This has nothing to do with him actually "dying", but the cease of leaking classified material. If his death just so happens to end up in the solution, then so be it. One person's life is not greater than the security of various nations. This is why Soldiers are willing to give their lives in battle. If he valued his life so much, he would stop. Obviously he doesn't, so I lose sympathy for him.
Edit:
Ugly wrote:
No they're not. People think the US should use legal methods. You however, implied your willingness to use illegal methods.
Read above.
Edited, Dec 18th 2010 7:57am by Almalieque
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My God, it was a freaking joke, but I'll continue to go along, because either way you're STILL wrong.
Like I said, I'm not following this thread very closely. But it seems like you're upset because you have a bad sense of humor? I dunno, it's hard to bother reading your posts beyond the first couple of sentences.
The reason no one has answered your question is because it has no bearing on the conversation. The fact that every country would get upset about having someone release their secrets to the general public does not excuse you for wanting someone to kill him. What it does, is align you with countries that place themselves above the freedom of their citizens.
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Alma wrote:
If his death just so happens to end up in the solution, then so be it.
The solution would be to better guard access to the wires that Manning leaked. Killing Assange =/= killing the ability to leak classified information.
Edited, Dec 18th 2010 6:37am by Omegavegeta
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#175Almalieque,
Posted: Dec 18 2010 at 8:16 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Really? That's like saying, creating world peace is a better solution than fighting North Korea after they launch missiles into South Korea. Of course punishing Assange does not prevent people from leaking information, but it's a step towards the overall goal of safeguarding information. If Assange is let go, that sends out messages to the world that "oh, it's ok to publish classified information".
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According to your logic, me Assange are no different, yet you attack me.
Luckily, you're not in jail either and those that come after him, can target you too.
Edited, Dec 18th 2010 11:40am by Uglysasquatch
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