More Wikileaks :: Free Realms

Quote Reply

#252 Dec 22 2010 at 10:05 PM Rating: Decent

__DEL__1662941810887

Scholar

9,997 posts

Quote:

So the answer is no, no one has the balls to talk about something other than semantics and unimportant crap?

Talking about important crap to certain people here is a waste of time unless it's for your own amusement... usually these people are the source of the disagreement in the first place.

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#253 Dec 28 2010 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good

__DEL__1624839416029

View User Forum

Sage

6,481 posts

Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerers of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Oh lord yeah!

 
|---------------> terrorist attack or attempt to attack US citizens in response to US actions 
|                                                     | 
|                                                     V 
|                                         knee-jerk public outcry 
|                                                     | 
|                                                     V 
|                                       knee-jerk political response 
|                                                     | 
|                                                     V 
|                             military industrial complex lobbies for funds 
|                                                     | 
|                                                     V 
|             trillions of tax dollars given to the military industrial complex to assure victory 
|                                                     | 
|                                                     V 
|                     heads of the defense industry pocket large chunks of the money 
|                                                     | 
|                                                     V 
|       military attacks a underdeveloped foreign country with exploitable resources and plausible wrong doing 
|                                                     | 
|                                                     V 
|             civilians are killed on a massive scale while US attempts to squash guerrilla resistance 
|                                                     | 
|                                                     V 
|                  military industrial complex rakes in more money for/by "nation building" 
|                                                     | 
|                                                     V 
|               remaining residents of country are filled with hatred and resentment towards the US 
|                                                     | 
|-----------------------------------------------------|

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor
Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait 'til their judgment day comes

Edited, Dec 28th 2010 6:06pm by shintasama

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#254 Dec 28 2010 at 3:56 PM Rating: Good

__DEL__1636935913888

Sage

27,272 posts

Professor shintasama wrote:

civilians are killed on a massive scale while US attempts to squash gorilla resistance

Terrorists have trained gorilla's now? Somebody get the nukes!

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#255 Dec 28 2010 at 5:10 PM Rating: Decent

__DEL__1624839416029

View User Forum

Sage

6,481 posts

His Excellency Aethien wrote:

Professor shintasama wrote:

civilians are killed on a massive scale while US attempts to squash gorilla resistance

Terrorists have trained gorilla's now? Somebody get the nukes!

Shintasama wrote:

So the answer is no, no one has the balls to talk about something other than semantics and unimportant crap?

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#256 Dec 28 2010 at 7:30 PM Rating: Good

__DEL__1636935913888

Sage

27,272 posts

Oh no, you're wrong there. I frankly just don't give a **** about this discussion and I'd much rather talk about gorilla warfare.

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#257 Dec 28 2010 at 9:21 PM Rating: Excellent

__DEL__1657498899608

Guru

12,049 posts

His Excellency Aethien wrote:

Oh no, you're wrong there. I frankly just don't give a sh*t about this discussion and I'd much rather talk about gorilla warfare.

Gorilla warfare is technically not correct - it should be **** neanderthalensis warfare, as the opponents are bombed back to the stone age and have no choice but to fight in small concerted strikes with inferior weaponry. However, gorilla just flows better, so in popular lexicon we use the incorrect term Smiley: schooled

In b4 varus gets turned on by a reference to **** warfare.

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#258 Dec 28 2010 at 10:39 PM Rating: Good

__DEL__1625444348715

Sage

3,362 posts

LockeColeMA wrote:

His Excellency Aethien wrote:

Oh no, you're wrong there. I frankly just don't give a sh*t about this discussion and I'd much rather talk about gorilla warfare.

Gorilla warfare is technically not correct - it should be **** neanderthalensis warfare, as the opponents are bombed back to the stone age and have no choice but to fight in small concerted strikes with inferior weaponry. However, gorilla just flows better, so in popular lexicon we use the incorrect term Smiley: schooled

In b4 varus gets turned on by a reference to **** warfare.

Wasn't most of the warring in at least the Neolithic period done by archaic **** sapiens?

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#259 Dec 29 2010 at 6:28 AM Rating: Excellent

__DEL__1709511392366

Sage

6,471 posts

Lights out
Gorilla Radio
Turn that **** up.

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#260 Dec 29 2010 at 1:36 PM Rating: Decent

__DEL__1624839416029

View User Forum

Sage

6,481 posts

Since you guys, like so many soap opera watching desolate housewives, only care about starting drama and childish name calling, how about this?:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/greenwald/

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#261 Dec 30 2010 at 8:06 AM Rating: Good

__DEL__1630282721753

View User Forum

Sage

14,174 posts

Professor shintasama wrote:

Since you guys, like so many soap opera watching desolate housewives, only care about starting drama and childish name calling, how about this?:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/greenwald/

I realise you're not very self-aware, so I tell you this as a favour: you're acting like a petulant child. This whole thing you're doing right now is ridiculous.

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#262 Dec 30 2010 at 7:24 PM Rating: Decent

__DEL__1624839416029

View User Forum

Sage

6,481 posts

Kavekk wrote:

Professor shintasama wrote:

Since you guys, like so many soap opera watching desolate housewives, only care about starting drama and childish name calling, how about this?:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/greenwald/

I realise you're not very self-aware, so I tell you this as a favour: you're acting like a petulant child. This whole thing you're doing right now is ridiculous.

As opposed to the rest of the posters in this thread?

or US politicians and the US military, who, Rather than taking responsibility for their actions and taking steps to correct the atrocities revealed by wikileaks, are more concerned with being pissed off about being caught and not getting caught again?

or the media, who, rather than taking responsibility for covering issues of importance to the American voter about the war, blew the news off as "oh, insiders have known about that forever, don't worry your pretty heads off. Here are some stories about golfers, kids in balloons, and miners trapped in caves to devote your time to instead!"?

Edited, Dec 30th 2010 8:38pm by shintasama

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#263 Dec 31 2010 at 10:42 AM Rating: Decent

bsphil

Edited by bsphil

21,739 posts

Eske, Star Breaker wrote:

Lights out
Gorilla Radio
Turn that sh*t up.

Believe that's Guerrilla radio.

____________________________

His Excellency Aethien wrote:

Almalieque wrote:

If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.

Take the hint guys, please take the hint.

gbaji wrote:

I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#264 Jan 01 2011 at 12:24 AM Rating: Good

rdmcandie

View User Forum

Scholar

7,568 posts

Quote:

Wasn't most of the warring in at least the Neolithic period done by archaic **** sapiens?

I thought God did it. Just to test our faith.

____________________________

HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#265 Jan 03 2011 at 3:30 PM Rating: Decent

gbaji

Encyclopedia

35,568 posts

At the risk of extending this over and into the new year:

Professor shintasama wrote:

or US politicians and the US military, who, Rather than taking responsibility for their actions and taking steps to correct the atrocities revealed by wikileaks, are more concerned with being pissed off about being caught and not getting caught again?

Could you identify one specific "atrocity" revealed to us by Wikileaks please?

____________________________

King Nobby wrote:

More words please

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#266 Jan 03 2011 at 4:12 PM Rating: Good

Timelordwho

View User Forum

Unplanned

13,240 posts

gbaji wrote:

At the risk of extending this over and into the new year:

Professor shintasama wrote:

or US politicians and the US military, who, Rather than taking responsibility for their actions and taking steps to correct the atrocities revealed by wikileaks, are more concerned with being pissed off about being caught and not getting caught again?

Could you identify one specific "atrocity" revealed to us by Wikileaks please?

Just stuff like this.

____________________________

Just as Planned.

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#267 Jan 03 2011 at 4:28 PM Rating: Good

Timelordwho

View User Forum

Unplanned

13,240 posts

For those who don't want to click the link, It's about a video from wikileaks of an apache gunship mowing down a US Reuters reporter, a van of children, and a good samaritan. All in all a good days work.

Not quite "wikileaks didn't reveal anything".

____________________________

Just as Planned.

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#268 Jan 03 2011 at 4:30 PM Rating: Good

__DEL__1709511392366

Sage

6,471 posts

bsphil wrote:

Eske, Star Breaker wrote:

Lights out
Gorilla Radio
Turn that sh*t up.

Believe that's Guerrilla radio.

Woosh.

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#269 Jan 03 2011 at 4:41 PM Rating: Decent

rdmcandie

View User Forum

Scholar

7,568 posts

Again as I mentioned earlier, and as this article mentions in the first paragraph. Wikileaks and by extension Assange, did nothing of fault. The person at fault in this particular case, as is with all other cases is the person who leaked the info. In this instance it was someone within the pentagon itself. Assange has done nothing wrong, it is the people providing the information that are at fault of releasing the particular information. It is no different than "Deep Throat" bringing the Watergate scandals to light.

All Wikileaks has done is made the information public, the real culprits that are behind making the US look bad, endangering people who serve the US interests, are the people leaking the info. Assange an Wiki links are not the problem, the problem is the people leaking info. Getting Assange an shutting down wikileaks isn't going to stop anything. The people leaking this information will simply find another outlet, and then another and another.

If the US is serious about keeping its secrets secret they need to find the people leaking the info.

____________________________

HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#270 Jan 03 2011 at 5:27 PM Rating: Default

gbaji

Encyclopedia

35,568 posts

Timelordwho wrote:

gbaji wrote:

At the risk of extending this over and into the new year:

Professor shintasama wrote:

or US politicians and the US military, who, Rather than taking responsibility for their actions and taking steps to correct the atrocities revealed by wikileaks, are more concerned with being pissed off about being caught and not getting caught again?

Could you identify one specific "atrocity" revealed to us by Wikileaks please?

Just stuff like this.

1. That wasn't part of the document dump we are discussing.

2. That's not an "atrocity" by any definition. At worse it's a case of target misidentification.

3. Said event was investigated by the Pentagon, not swept under the rug.

4. You weren't the person I asked to back up his statements with an example.

____________________________

King Nobby wrote:

More words please

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#271 Jan 03 2011 at 5:33 PM Rating: Good

Uglysasquatch

Soulless Internet Tiger

35,474 posts

2 is a matter of opinion.
4 is a pathetic remark. Once you pick a side, it shouldn't matter who's defending the opposing side.

Not knowing better, I'll give you 1 and 3.

____________________________

Donate. One day it could be your family.

An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#272 Jan 03 2011 at 5:34 PM Rating: Good

__DEL__1625444348715

Sage

3,362 posts

gbaji wrote:

Timelordwho wrote:

gbaji wrote:

At the risk of extending this over and into the new year:

Professor shintasama wrote:

or US politicians and the US military, who, Rather than taking responsibility for their actions and taking steps to correct the atrocities revealed by wikileaks, are more concerned with being pissed off about being caught and not getting caught again?

Could you identify one specific "atrocity" revealed to us by Wikileaks please?

Just stuff like this.

1. That wasn't part of the document dump we are discussing.

2. That's not an "atrocity" by any definition. At worse it's a case of target misidentification.

3. Said event was investigated by the Pentagon, not swept under the rug.

4. You weren't the person I asked to back up his statements with an example.

1. "by Wikileaks" tends to imply something revealed by Wikileaks, right? If you wished for something more specific, you should have noted such a desire.

2. "Atrocity" is largely a subjective word, so you're just playing semantics here.

3. And yet it wasn't revealed to the public?

4. Haha. Cute.

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#273 Jan 03 2011 at 5:44 PM Rating: Excellent

Timelordwho

View User Forum

Unplanned

13,240 posts

gbaji wrote:

Timelordwho wrote:

gbaji wrote:

At the risk of extending this over and into the new year:

Professor shintasama wrote:

or US politicians and the US military, who, Rather than taking responsibility for their actions and taking steps to correct the atrocities revealed by wikileaks, are more concerned with being pissed off about being caught and not getting caught again?

Could you identify one specific "atrocity" revealed to us by Wikileaks please?

Just stuff like this.

1. That wasn't part of the document dump we are discussing.

2. That's not an "atrocity" by any definition. At worse it's a case of target misidentification.

3. Said event was investigated by the Pentagon, not swept under the rug.

4. You weren't the person I asked to back up his statements with an example.

1. And yet it was divulged by wikileaks, thus valid per your request.

2. Killing a US citizen who is a reporter, a couple of children, and someone trying to help the victims while saying "hahaha, look at those bastards die" doesn't count as an atrocity? Ok, Well at least know I know how you get your view on torture.

3. Investigated by the Pentagon and later denied when pressed by the journalists employer and family, in order to keep them from taking the issue to court. Without this evidence the court proceedings would have died.

4. So is your goal here to show wikileaks is bad, or would you just prefer debating with easier prey? I can bow out if you like.

Edited, Jan 3rd 2011 6:45pm by Timelordwho

____________________________

Just as Planned.

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#274 Jan 03 2011 at 5:46 PM Rating: Default

gbaji

Encyclopedia

35,568 posts

Uglysasquatch wrote:

2 is a matter of opinion.

A gunship firing on targets they clearly believe to be armed who followed all the rules and obtaining proper permission is an atrocity? That's a pretty broad definition you're using, isn't it?

Quote:

4 is a pathetic remark. Once you pick a side, it shouldn't matter who's defending the opposing side.

Having played the "someone else picks up the other side and then argues a slightly different point so I never get a straight answer" game many many times before, I'll beg to differ.

Quote:

Not knowing better, I'll give you 1 and 3.

Thank you. That's something at least. :)

____________________________

King Nobby wrote:

More words please

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#275 Jan 03 2011 at 6:12 PM Rating: Good

Uglysasquatch

Soulless Internet Tiger

35,474 posts

gbaji wrote:

Uglysasquatch wrote:

2 is a matter of opinion.

A gunship firing on targets they clearly believe to be armed who followed all the rules and obtaining proper permission is an atrocity? That's a pretty broad definition you're using, isn't it?

I don't view it as an atrocity, but I can see how others do. Trust me, there were a lot of Canadians, right or wrong, who felt when American fighter pilots fired on Canadian troops by accident, that it was an atrocity. Who are we to decide what another person views as an atrocity?

gbaji wrote:

Having played the "someone else picks up the other side and then argues a slightly different point so I never get a straight answer" game many many times before, I'll beg to differ.

Remember that, next time you respond to any post not directed at you.

____________________________

Donate. One day it could be your family.

An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo

▲ Page top

Quote Reply

#276 Jan 03 2011 at 6:32 PM Rating: Decent

gbaji

Encyclopedia

35,568 posts

Timelordwho wrote:

1. And yet it was divulged by wikileaks, thus valid per your request.

Context matters. The poster I responded to was defending the dump(s) of classified data as having revealed atrocities. I was specifically asking that poster to list a single atrocity revealed by said dumps.

Quote:

2. Killing a US citizen who is a reporter, a couple of children, and someone trying to help the victims while saying "hahaha, look at those bastards die" doesn't count as an atrocity? Ok, Well at least know I know how you get your view on torture.

The reporter was not a US citizen. He was a local hired to carry a camera and get video for the network. He was not wearing a vest that reporters are supposed to wear specifically so that they may be identified as reporters and not fired upon. He was walking around with a number of people suspected of having been engaged in a number of attacks earlier that same day. The children were in a van and were not seen.

Did you even bother to read the article you linked? All of this information is in there if you bothered to go past the first paragraph or two.

Quote:

3. Investigated by the Pentagon and later denied when pressed by the journalists employer and family, in order to keep them from taking the issue to court. Without this evidence the court proceedings would have died.

That was in the article where exactly? If you're going to link something as "proof", shouldn't what you link actually contain the information you're using to base your claim on?

Quote:

4. So is your goal here to show wikileaks is bad, or would you just prefer debating with easier prey? I can bow out if you like.

I'd like a response that defends the statement I was questioning, not a response that acts more as a distraction from it.

Edited, Jan 3rd 2011 4:48pm by gbaji

____________________________

King Nobby wrote:

More words please

▲ Page top

More WikileaksFollow