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#1 Nov 28 2010 at 5:42 PM Rating: Decent
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The latest U.S. documents released by the WikiLeaks organization include a number of eye-raising revelations including charges that the U.S. has stepped up efforts to spy on United Nations officials and other diplomats from other countries. They also shed light on North Korea's continued role as a world arms dealer, including smuggling missiles capable of carrying a nuclear payload to Iran.

Other red flags raised by U.S. diplomats include the security of Pakistan's nuclear program. which was described as vulnerable to smuggling and corruption.

U.S. Spying on United Nations Chief, Diplomats?

The U.K. Guardian reports Washington is running a secret intelligence campaign targeted at the leadership of the United Nations, including the secretary general, Ban Ki-moon and the permanent security council representatives from China, Russia, France and the UK.

A classified directive which appears to blur the line between diplomacy and spying was issued to U.S. diplomats under Hillary Clinton's name in July 2009, the Guardian reports, demanding forensic technical details about the communications systems used by top UN officials, including passwords and personal encryption keys used in private and commercial networks for official communications.

The New York Times also interprets the newly-released diplomatic documents as showing an expanded role of American diplomats in collecting intelligence overseas. Including orders to State Department personnel to gather the credit card and frequent-flier numbers, work schedules and other personal information of foreign dignitaries.

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Want a Meeting with Obama? Take a Prisoner

The New York Times reports on pressure tactics used by American diplomats pressing other countries to resettle detainees at Guantanamo Bay prison, the closing of which was one of President Obama's unfulfilled campaign pledges.

The Times reports several diplomatic tactics used to unload the prisoners:

-- Slovenia was told to take a prisoner if it wanted to meet with President Obama
-- The island nation of Kiribati was offered incentives worth millions of dollars to take in Chinese Muslim detainees
-- Belgium was told accepting more prisoners would be "a low-cost way for Belgium to attain prominence in Europe."

Chinese Gov't OKs Hack of Google

A Chinese contact tipped off the U.S. Embassy in Beijing that China's Politburo OK'd a huge effort to hack and eavesdrop on Google computers as part of a nearly decade-long cyber-sabotage effort aimed at American companies and supporters of the Dalai Lama, reports Politico.

Yemen to Petraeus: We'll Take the Blame for Missile Strikes
Politico reports on U.S. documents in which the President of Yemen, Ali Abdullah Saleh, told Gen. David Petraeus that he would continue to take the blames for U.S. missile strikes on suspected al Qaeda operatives in Yemen.

"We'll continue saying the bombs are ours, not yours," Saleh is quoted as saying in a recent summary of the talk.



So they're bribing/lying to other countries to take prisoners off their hands now? Really?
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#2 Nov 28 2010 at 6:16 PM Rating: Good
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#3 Nov 28 2010 at 6:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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So they're bribing/lying to other countries to take prisoners off their hands now? Really?

Why would you think other nations would want to take them for free and without any financial or diplomatic compensation?
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#4 Nov 28 2010 at 9:12 PM Rating: Good
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Holy deja vu, Batman!
#5 Nov 28 2010 at 9:20 PM Rating: Good
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Hell, we couldn't even get our own states to take them.
#6 Nov 29 2010 at 12:14 AM Rating: Good
At least there's some substance in these recent leaks. The previous ones were pretty boring.
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#7 Nov 29 2010 at 4:45 AM Rating: Good
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Seems Sweden has issued an arrest warrant for Assange.

Sweden issuing arrest warrant for WikiLeaks' Assange

Not positive here, but isn't one of the server farms that Wikileaks uses in Sweden?
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Jophiel wrote:
Driftwood wrote:
So they're bribing/lying to other countries to take prisoners off their hands now? Really?

Why would you think other nations would want to take them for free and without any financial or diplomatic compensation?
If there's financial compensation, I've got a basement that could be converted to cells.
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#9 Nov 29 2010 at 11:33 AM Rating: Good
I love the most transparent administration in American history. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
#10 Nov 29 2010 at 11:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Where are these leaks coming from anyway? Are they all from one point in time leak, and the documents have just been released slowly, or is this a continuous leak?
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#11 Nov 29 2010 at 12:16 PM Rating: Good
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
Where are these leaks coming from anyway? Are they all from one point in time leak, and the documents have just been released slowly, or is this a continuous leak?


Bradley Manning.
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#12 Nov 29 2010 at 12:29 PM Rating: Decent
The government should TOTALLY shut down wikipedia.
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The government should TOTALLY shut down wikipedia.

And replace it with Conservapedia!
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#14 Nov 29 2010 at 12:56 PM Rating: Good
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MoebiusLord wrote:
The government should TOTALLY shut down wikipedia.

And replace it with Conservapedia!

Nah, those ***-holes can't make a joke.
#15 Nov 29 2010 at 1:49 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
The government should TOTALLY shut down wikipedia.

And replace it with Conservapedia!

Nah, those ***-holes can't make a joke.
Uncyclopedia then?
#16 Nov 29 2010 at 6:51 PM Rating: Good
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MoebiusLord wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
The government should TOTALLY shut down wikipedia.

And replace it with Conservapedia!

Nah, those ***-holes can't make a joke.
Uncyclopedia then?
I'm thinking Encyclopedia Dramatica would be more appropriate.

...for absolutely nothing.
#17 Nov 29 2010 at 6:54 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Driftwood wrote:
So they're bribing/lying to other countries to take prisoners off their hands now? Really?

Why would you think other nations would want to take them for free and without any financial or diplomatic compensation?
If there's financial compensation, I've got a basement that could be converted to cells.


If you want, I think I could get you a pretty solid package. You could probably get away with billing it as full year hotel accommodation rates if you kept it on the DL.

They are really desperate.
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Hey, I've got some hotels in the NW that are pretty desperate too. Have your people contact my people and we'll work out a deal.
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#19 Nov 30 2010 at 1:16 AM Rating: Good
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Wikileaks closed their submissions page. How will I upload files to it now?
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#20 Nov 30 2010 at 1:29 AM Rating: Good
You could always hack 'em, inkeeping with the fashions of the season, and chuck it up there yourself.
#21 Dec 01 2010 at 4:50 PM Rating: Excellent
So, political pressure rules, and Amazon (who was apparently hosting the site?) pulled the plug on Wikileaks.org.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-website-cables-servers-amazon

I'm going to ignore the legal issues regarding the release of classified documents for a moment, because there's a whole debate about who is responsible and what recourse the government should have once that information becomes public that I don't want to get into.

The question now is, was the pressure by the U.S. government and the resulting action by Amazon an example of the infringment of free speech? Does he not deserve any protection simply because the information was (formerly) classified? Assuming your answer is yes, what recourse do we, the American people, have to ensure that bad things done by our government cannot simply be erased from the public knowledge by the mark of a simple "CLASSIFIED" or "TOP SECRET" stamp? I mean, a lot of the info released points to some pretty bad things going on and some pretty extensive efforts to cover it up.

This all just seems a little too... China'ish to me. Call it the first banana peel on a long and slippery slope.

Edited, Dec 1st 2010 4:50pm by BrownDuck
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I'm not sure exactly what "pressure" was applied. Kind of hard to make any intelligent call without knowing.
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WASHINGTON, Dec 1 (Reuters) - Amazon.com Inc (AMZN.O) has stopped hosting WikiLeaks' website after an inquiry by the U.S. Senate Homeland Security Committee amid anger about the release of classified U.S. government documents on the site.
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Staff for Senate Homeland Security Committee Chairman Joe Lieberman had questioned Amazon about its relationship with WikiLeaks on Tuesday and called on other companies that provide web-hosting services to boycott WikiLeaks.

"I wish that Amazon had taken this action earlier based on WikiLeaks' previous publication of classified material," Lieberman, an independent, said in a statement. "I call on any other company or organization that is hosting WikiLeaks to immediately terminate its relationship with them."

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WASHINGTON – Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee Chairman Joe Lieberman, ID-Conn., Wednesday issued the following statement after Amazon.com decided to terminate its relationship with Wikileaks. After reading press reports that Amazon was hosting the Wikileaks website, Committee staff contacted Amazon Tuesday for an explanation.

“This morning Amazon informed my staff that it has ceased to host the Wikileaks website. I wish that Amazon had taken this action earlier based on Wikileaks' previous publication of classified material. The company’s decision to cut off Wikileaks now is the right decision and should set the standard for other companies Wikileaks is using to distribute its illegally seized material. I call on any other company or organization that is hosting Wikileaks to immediately terminate its relationship with them. Wikileaks’ illegal, outrageous, and reckless acts have compromised our national security and put lives at risk around the world. No responsible company – whether American or foreign – should assist Wikileaks in its efforts to disseminate these stolen materials. I will be asking Amazon about the extent of its relationship with Wikileaks and what it and other web service providers will do in the future to ensure that their services are not used to distribute stolen, classified information.”


Edited, Dec 1st 2010 5:50pm by Jophiel
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#23 Dec 01 2010 at 5:55 PM Rating: Good
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I don't know if this has been mentioned before in this thread, but there are many among the conspiracy theory community that are very suspicious of wikileak's intentions. I think Stubs is on the right track: regardless of who is behind wikileaks and what their intentions actually are, the outcome may be bad for free speech as a whole. I suspect some sort of new internet policing will be put into place following this.
#24 Dec 03 2010 at 12:07 AM Rating: Good
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regardless of who is behind wikileaks and what their intentions actually are, the outcome may be bad for free speech as a whole.
http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2010/11/29/an-interview-with-wikileaks-julian-assange/5/


last couple of pages are pertinent
#25 Dec 07 2010 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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After several weeks of hyperbole, accusing Asange of being a 'hi-tech terrorist' and an 'enemy of freedom' (lol), in a giant leap forward for free speech and press freedom, the founder of Wikileaks has been arrested in London on charges of 'having unprotected sex' and 'having sex with a woman while she was asleep'.

He has been denied bail, and the judge has said he believed Mr Assange might flee and he also feared he "may be at risk from unstable persons".

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After several weeks of hyperbole, accusing Asange of being a 'hi-tech terrorist' and an 'enemy of freedom' (lol), in a giant leap forward for free speech and press freedom, the founder of Wikileaks has been arrested in London on charges of 'having unprotected sex' and 'having sex with a woman while she was asleep'.

He's arrested on rape charges. Being a Champion of Free Speech or whatever doesn't mean you're not capable of raping women nor that the charges shouldn't be pursued.
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