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#1 Nov 25 2010 at 1:45 AM Rating: Good
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-11-24-k2-ban-dea_N.htm

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The DEA used its emergency powers Wednesday to ban K2 and other "fake pot" products that mimic the effects of marijuana.

The action by the Drug Enforcement Administration makes it illegal to possess or sell the five chemicals used to make the products for at least one year. The agency and the Department of Health and Human Services will determine whether the chemicals should be permanently added to the federal list of controlled substances considered unsafe, highly abused and without medical use.

'SPICE' DRUG: States, cities race to outlaw K2

The herbal blends coated with synthetic chemicals are marketed under brands such as Spice, Red X Dawn and K2. They are usually sold as packets of incense or potpourri at convenience stores, herbal and spiritual shops and online. The packets can sell for as much as $35 an ounce and have become popular as a legal alternative to marijuana among teenagers and college students.

The chemicals are not approved by the Food and Drug Administration for human consumption, the DEA said in its federal notice.

In February, the director of the Missouri Poison Center in St. Louis notified poison centers nationwide about K2 after doctors reported a surge in patients sickened by it. Patients often have a rapid heart rate, dangerously high blood pressure and sometimes hallucinations or paranoia, the poison center said in its alert.

Federal law allows the DEA to take emergency action to avoid "an imminent public health crisis" while a formal research and regulatory process is underway. More than a dozen states and several cities have banned or restricted the products.

"The American public looks to the DEA to protect its children and communities from those who would exploit them for their own gain," said DEA Acting Administrator Michele M. Leonhart. "Makers of these harmful products mislead their customers into thinking that 'fake pot' is a harmless alternative to illegal drugs, but that is not the case."

The agency "has received an increasing number of reports from poison centers, hospitals and law enforcement regarding these products," the DEA said.

The Drug Policy Alliance, which advocates legalizing marijuana, says banning K2 and other similar substances, will create an illegal market for the drug.

"When policymakers outlaw a drug, they give up all control over it," said Bill Piper, director of national affairs for the Drug Policy Alliance. "Instead of handing Spice and other drugs over to organized crime to make and distribute, it would be better to regulate the drugs to prohibit young people from getting access."


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#2 Nov 26 2010 at 7:08 PM Rating: Decent
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#3 Nov 28 2010 at 6:01 PM Rating: Decent
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The DEA used its emergency powers Wednesday to ban K2 and other "fake pot" products that mimic the effects of marijuana.



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I don't know which variant he was using, but a friend of a friend apparently got addicted to one of them (doesn't sound like a psychological addiction), which I guess is the kind of thing they were trying to prevent. Of course, doesn't really justify the criminalization of marijuana... more like an argument for legalization, to me.
#5 Nov 29 2010 at 12:12 AM Rating: Excellent
Fake pot is lame.
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#6 Nov 29 2010 at 8:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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I had tried to find some Spice last year here in Gainesville, which was being sold under the name "Gainesville Green Potpourri" in tobacco shops. Turns out it has been banned here in FL for some time now; I believe since around 2008.

The main concern I have heard about these synthetics is that you have no idea what's going into it, and obviously there's no real research done on effects. They have the potential to be more harmful and dangerous than actual pot, but this risk was justified because they were not, until now, banned by the government. Of course, the only reason they were popular was due to their availability because the actual cannabis is illegal... but the government wouldn't want to do the logical thing and reverse their stance on pot, right?

On a separate note, I learned over the holiday that a vaporizer is freaking amazing and hands-down beats a joint any day.
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On a separate note, I learned over the holiday that a vaporizer is freaking amazing and hands-down beats a joint any day.
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Back in my day a vaporizer and a joint served two very different purposes.
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#8 Nov 29 2010 at 8:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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On a separate note, I learned over the holiday that a vaporizer is freaking amazing and hands-down beats a joint any day.
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Back in my day a vaporizer and a joint served two very different purposes.


A vaporizer heats up the pot enough to evaporate the THC but not enough to burn the pot itself. The result is a mist instead of smoke, and the mist contains a higher concentration of THC, less heat, and no irritation. And potentially best of all, hardly any smell (although you still get the taste). As a nonsmoker, every time I ever tried pot my throat would hurt for days after because I wasn't used to having my throat scorched. With a vaporizer the process is much smoother - less irritating than even a tobacco hookah.

Overall I was very impressed.

Edit: But of course I didn't inhale Smiley: wink
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#9 Nov 29 2010 at 9:22 AM Rating: Good
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I had tried to find some Spice last year here in Gainesville, which was being sold under the name "Gainesville Green Potpourri" in tobacco shops. Turns out it has been banned here in FL for some time now; I believe since around 2008.

The main concern I have heard about these synthetics is that you have no idea what's going into it, and obviously there's no real research done on effects. They have the potential to be more harmful and dangerous than actual pot, but this risk was justified because they were not, until now, banned by the government. Of course, the only reason they were popular was due to their availability because the actual cannabis is illegal... but the government wouldn't want to do the logical thing and reverse their stance on pot, right?



I would have to agree with you here. I've tried some of the fake green's for 2 reasons, my friend works in a shop and got me free samples, and I do help admin a small stoner aficionado forum. I had been testing them off and on until our state banned them. Now it looks like I can stop driving to my friends business and getting more samples, which is good.

That stuff does indeed have some serious risks that are associated with it. I experienced the rapid pulse on many products, and while others got me 'near' high, none of them did the real trick. Not to mention the stupid people who keep overdosing on it and ruining the fun for the rest of us.

And I would just like to say I agree with the bolded part, 100%, as well.

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"Instead of handing Spice and other drugs over to organized crime to make and distribute, it would be better to regulate the drugs to prohibit young people from getting access."

If I'm willing to deal with organized crime for my illegal drugs and organized crime is willing to produce my illegal drugs, why are either of us going to bother with some half-assed marijuana knockoff?
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#11 Nov 29 2010 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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A vaporizer heats up the pot enough to evaporate the THC but not enough to burn the pot itself. The result is a mist instead of smoke, and the mist contains a higher concentration of THC, less heat, and no irritation. And potentially best of all, hardly any smell (although you still get the taste). As a nonsmoker, every time I ever tried pot my throat would hurt for days after because I wasn't used to having my throat scorched. With a vaporizer the process is much smoother - less irritating than even a tobacco hookah.


It also has the nice effect of not filling your lungs with carcinogens. You know, for the health-conscious user.

Based on what I've heard, I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of those fake pot products are mixed with ephedrine.
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A vaporizer heats up the pot enough to evaporate the THC but not enough to burn the pot itself. The result is a mist instead of smoke, and the mist contains a higher concentration of THC, less heat, and no irritation. And potentially best of all, hardly any smell (although you still get the taste). As a nonsmoker, every time I ever tried pot my throat would hurt for days after because I wasn't used to having my throat scorched. With a vaporizer the process is much smoother - less irritating than even a tobacco hookah.


It also has the nice effect of not filling your lungs with carcinogens. You know, for the health-conscious user.

Based on what I've heard, I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of those fake pot products are mixed with ephedrine.


Your throat hurt for days? That's weird, no one I know has any troubles, it normally goes away in under an hour. Either that or you forget about it, but it's definitely not irritated any great amount beyond a few hours.

Having a vaporizer would be nice, but they are quite expensive. :P
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A vaporizer heats up the pot enough to evaporate the THC but not enough to burn the pot itself. The result is a mist instead of smoke, and the mist contains a higher concentration of THC, less heat, and no irritation. And potentially best of all, hardly any smell (although you still get the taste). As a nonsmoker, every time I ever tried pot my throat would hurt for days after because I wasn't used to having my throat scorched. With a vaporizer the process is much smoother - less irritating than even a tobacco hookah.


It also has the nice effect of not filling your lungs with carcinogens. You know, for the health-conscious user.

Based on what I've heard, I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of those fake pot products are mixed with ephedrine.


Your throat hurt for days? That's weird, no one I know has any troubles, it normally goes away in under an hour. Either that or you forget about it, but it's definitely not irritated any great amount beyond a few hours.

Having a vaporizer would be nice, but they are quite expensive. :P


Every time I've smoked I've had a raspy voice for days after. I can at least feel a difference for a minimum of 24 hours, but usually it's 2-3 days. Again, I smoke hardly at all - once or twice a year at most - so I'm not used to any kind of smoke.
#14 Nov 30 2010 at 2:29 AM Rating: Good
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On a separate note, I learned over the holiday that a vaporizer is freaking amazing and hands-down beats a joint any day.


I disagree as the taste is quite diminished via vaporizer & the smell of the exhaled smoke is much changed. I've got a friend who loves hers though, as she's actually allergic to smoke so can only use a vaporizer.

To each their own, but I tend to prefer glass pipes myself.
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#15 Nov 30 2010 at 2:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Granted I've only ever eaten pot once and that's the extent of my experience (and it was an awful experience), but I didn't realize that the taste or smell of pot was a factor in the appeal.
#16 Nov 30 2010 at 3:12 AM Rating: Good
It becomes part of it when you use it for an extended period of time, just like alcohol.
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#17 Nov 30 2010 at 3:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Hm, I've never liked the taste of alcohol either. Not even a little, and I drink daily.
#18 Nov 30 2010 at 8:51 AM Rating: Good
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Hm, I've never liked the taste of alcohol either. Not even a little, and I drink daily.


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Hm, I've never liked the taste of alcohol either. Not even a little, and I drink daily.


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#20 Nov 30 2010 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
When I smoked pot if it was someone else's I took it any way it was offered: pipe, bong, hookah, va-poo-rizor, joint, etc.

When I bought my own and it was good I wouldn't put it in anything but a joint.
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To me, the best alcohol is the alcohol which masks the taste of the alcohol. I can see how people learn to tolerate a stronger alcohol taste, but I don't know of people actually learning to like the taste of alcohol. It's unfathomable to me, like learning to like the taste of ****. I could maybe tolerate something if I only tasted a hint of ****, but I can't imagine learning to like it in a single lifetime.
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To me, the best alcohol is the alcohol which masks the taste of the alcohol. I can see how people learn to tolerate a stronger alcohol taste, but I don't know of people actually learning to like the taste of alcohol. It's unfathomable to me, like learning to like the taste of sh*t. I could maybe tolerate something if I only tasted a hint of sh*t, but I can't imagine learning to like it in a single lifetime.
Stop drinking then.
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I drink for my health. Also, I'm generally fine with anything less than 10% by volume.
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You drink for your health?
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1 glass of red, or 2 glasses of white wine is good for the heart. I'm not sure where other alcohols fall.
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#26 Nov 30 2010 at 5:07 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah I forgot about that when I posted, but I don't think that the health benefits from that are all that large.
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