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#52 Nov 23 2010 at 10:12 AM Rating: Good
Uglysasquatch wrote:
varusword75 wrote:
Then you search everyone coming from Chechnia. I'm sorry you're not convincing anyone that little old granny flying from kansas to orlando should be groped by tsa.
Moron. You fly the little old granny from Chechnya to Tennesse, have her get her bomb from some dude who wants Chicago blown up, and then send her on a domestic flight to Chicago. Boom!


Why does Tennessee gotta be involved?? Smiley: glare
#53 Nov 23 2010 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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#54 Nov 23 2010 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good
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He lives in outer space.
#55 Nov 23 2010 at 10:33 AM Rating: Good
Aripyanfar wrote:
He lives in outer space.

Varus reminds me of the Henry Rollins riff on meth cooking, El Camino driving rednecks from San Bernadino who don't breed so much as lay eggs for their lizard spawn to crack out of.
#56 Nov 23 2010 at 11:09 AM Rating: Decent
Aripyanfar wrote:
He lives in outer space.


Is he that pesky little bump on uranus that doctors scientists can't seem to figure out?
#57 Nov 23 2010 at 11:14 AM Rating: Good
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BrownDuck wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
He lives in outer space.


Is he that pesky little bump on uranus that doctors scientists can't seem to figure out?
I doubt varrus is that study-worthy.
#58 Nov 23 2010 at 11:27 AM Rating: Good
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BrownDuck wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
He lives in outer space.


Is he that pesky little bump on uranus that doctors scientists can't seem to figure out?
No, he's out somewhere in the Pleiades
#59 Nov 23 2010 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
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Swallowing light.
#60 Nov 23 2010 at 12:22 PM Rating: Good
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Swallowing light.


Or a little light swallowing.
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#63 Nov 23 2010 at 1:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
Why don't we deal with what's most likely to happen first.

Why not have a system that proactively screens both sets of people rather than waiting to react to a tragedy?
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#65 Nov 23 2010 at 1:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Because the more time you spend searching people who are not real suspects the more time you take away from searching potential threats.

If you search everyone, by definition you're searching the potential threats.

Edited, Nov 23rd 2010 1:27pm by Jophiel
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#66 Nov 23 2010 at 1:33 PM Rating: Good
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Apparently theres a new TSA quest in WoW.

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#67 Nov 23 2010 at 1:49 PM Rating: Good
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Apparently theres a new TSA quest in WoW.


Awesome...now if only the servers would come up so I can do it.
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#68 Nov 23 2010 at 2:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
Ugly,

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Wait, you want to wait until AFTER another airplane is used as a terrorist weapon BEFORE you implement security measures on everyone equally? o_O


So your solution is to spend all that time and money searching people who are in no way a threat. Sounds about right for liberal logic.

Why should we implement equal security measures when certain people are not threats? You can say it, we all know what you're thinking. You would rather spend more money and harass and molest obviously innocent american citizens rather than focus on those who are more likely to be terroriss, yes muslims.



Hi, I wrote this, actually.

Every flier is potentially a threat. If you're going to have security at all, there makes no sense to leave an obvious loophole like "Don't search white people." As some Americans have joined terrorist groups, it is pretty clear that they could just use white folks to bypass the obvious rules.
#69 Nov 23 2010 at 2:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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paulsol wrote:
Apparently theres a new TSA quest in WoW.


Awesome...now if only the servers would come up so I can do it.


Hi, that was phase 3 of the invasion, so it's been in for a week or two now. In fact, by the time you log in today, you've likely missed your chance as the world will have changed.
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#71 Nov 23 2010 at 3:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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A better method of securing our airports would probably be to hire competent employees
#72 Nov 23 2010 at 3:45 PM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:

Still waiting for any of you liberals to show me an example of a little old white lady or 8yr old white girl being used to ferry explosives on US flights.


Why?
#73 Nov 23 2010 at 3:56 PM Rating: Good
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Kastigir wrote:
paulsol wrote:
Apparently theres a new TSA quest in WoW.


Awesome...now if only the servers would come up so I can do it.


Hi, that was phase 3 of the invasion, so it's been in for a week or two now. In fact, by the time you log in today, you've likely missed your chance as the world will have changed.


Do I look like I play WoW?
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#74 Nov 23 2010 at 4:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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paulsol wrote:
Do I look like I play WoW?

I'd have guessed FFXI. Or Free Realms.



Or Fasaria.
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#75 Nov 23 2010 at 5:25 PM Rating: Good
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Well... All Rosa Parks did was sit down on a bus seat.

Are you seriously comparing John Tyner to Rosa Parks?


Um... Yes. Or is the definition of "compare" different for you than it is for me? In both cases, someone stood up (or sat down as the case may be) against a rule/regulation/law/whatever that they thought was unfair and unreasonable. And in both cases, their act prompted a large reaction among others who felt the same way, but hadn't acted or who's acts hadn't been noticed and in turn sparked a debate much much bigger than the person him/herself.

The specifics are obviously different, but in the context of the point I was making (that solitary acts of defiance often do become the "straw" that tips an issue), it's absolutely fair to compare them.


As to the larger issue, Varus' use of "white" as a qualifying condition of screening aside, the principle concept has validity. We should be focusing our searches not on everyone, or "randomly", but on those most likely to be a threat. That means people on various watch lists should be scanned. People who match certain flight pattern criteria should be scanned. We should be doing less random scans (although they should still do some of those), and more targeted scans.

The US citizen who flies the same commuter route twice a month is a pretty low probability risk. The guy with the 1 month old passport from Saudi Arabia, with a one-way ticket should probably be scanned. It's not about race or skin color or religion, but about patterns. Where is someone from? What is their past flight history? How many bags are they carrying? There are dozens of factors you can use to make assessments and from which you can make intelligent choices with regard to how we utilize the limited resources we have available to us.


The problem is that political correctness is so strong that even the suggestion that someone might be profiling passengers forces official policies to do ridiculous things like make searches random, or on all people. Sorry, but profiling is exactly what we should be doing. And in addition to the data profiling, we should have trained people who's sole job is to stand back and watch the people looking for suspicious behavior. People who aren't working the security checks and thus have the ability to take in the whole area, watch for patterns of movement, conversation, and behavior and make judgments based on those things.

Of course, they'd be accused of profiling as well. But at the end of the day, it's what we should be doing. It's what every rational security expert says we should be doing. You don't eliminate the body scanners and pat downs, but you use them more effectively. What people are opposed to is the idea that TSA seems to be moving in a direction of simply running every single person through these things (at great expense btw) rather than utilizing some human intelligence principles in order to make things a ton more efficient.

Edited, Nov 23rd 2010 3:28pm by gbaji
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#76 Nov 23 2010 at 7:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just a thought....and its probably a bit late...But has anyone given any thought as to why the USA feels the need to implement all these security measures?

The only other place I've been to that is so draconian with its security treatment of travellers is Israel (and you dont mind so much there 'cos the security personnel are so hawt).

It seems to me that there are 2 reasons to have the stuff going on that you guys have.

A. You have a genuine threat to your peaceful and freedom loving population who just want to live in harmony and co-operation with the rest of the world. And, if that is the case, the question has to be asked as to why you are threatened and not other countries such as, for example, Sweden? Or New Zealand? Or Canada? Why dont the authorities in other countries feel the need to grope its citizens or scan their retinas everytime they want to visit some friends in another part of the country. Is it perhaps, a direct result of the behaviour of the US in its dealings abroad that causes the threat to exist in the first place?

Or..

B.You are slowly having your freedoms eroded as part of a desire by the authorities to keep tighter control on the movement of its people and the ability of those people to live in the sort society that those people would aspire to live in. And to achieve that goal, the people are bombarded with information/propaganda that says, basically, "There is a threat which endangers your existance. Trust the 'Authorities'. They will protect you from that threat, as long as you don't mind giving up your freedoms to enable those protective procedures to be imposed (on you)".

My point is. Why does the USA feel threatened to the point where its citizens are willing to accept almost any restrictions imposed in the name of 'security' to make them feel safe (Even though your military defence capability exceeds every other countries capability combined). And if that threat is in reality, fictional, or so small as to be virtually non-existant, why is there such a drive going on to convince people that the threat is real?

There is a list as long as Totems **** of things that kill Americans in vastly larger quantities than 'terrorists' ever will, and yet the amount of angst that is generated by the 'threat' of terror is totally out of all proportion to its actual real dangers.

WTF is really going on here?


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