Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown.Follow

It's one metric Joph. Scoring only measures the deficit effect of a bill. It does nothing to tell us if the money is well spent. If I put 1 Trillion dollars into a pit and light it on fire, CBO will score it as "paying for itself" as long as I raise taxes by 1 Trillion dollars to pay for it. Hopefully we can all agree that this is not the only measurement of whether a bill is a good idea fiscally.

They got that score by taking 500 Billion dollars out of Medicare, projecting revenues of another 500 Billion to cover the rest, and then amortizing 6 years of costs across 10 years of said revenues. CBO scoring doesn't tell us if something is a monumentally bad idea. It just tells us if the numbers add up over the time frame they are given. Garbage in, garbage out.

Yes. And? Are you denying that spending went up massively under the Democrats? Even while Republicans were jumping up and down and warning us all that if we spent that money, we'd have to pay for it with higher taxes down the line? Remember that? Remember when I said the same thing on this forum? Remember when I was shushed by people repeating slogans they heard Obama say "not one dime of taxes". Remember that?



Pretty selective memory. First off, the Republicans didn't fuel any deficit fiasco at all. Until 2008 when then mortgage investment market collapsed (something which Republicans had been warning about and trying to fix for years btw), the Bush administration maintained a debt to GDP ratio in the mid 30% range the whole time. There was no debt crisis.

I didn't "applaud". I pointed out over and over that the left was falsely accusing the GOP of overspending and running the country into debt. Not agreeing that there is a problem isn't the same as applauding that the problem is happening.


The debt crisis didn't start until the Dems took control. Which is incredibly ironic. They bashed Bush for 8 years straight for overspending and running deficits. And what did they do the second they took power? They overspent and ran deficits. And not little ones, but big freaking massive ones. During a time when revenues were already down, they upped spending like there was no limit.

And you have the gall to blame the GOP?





That's wonderful. Irrelevant, but wonderful. I've been very very consistent with my economic positions on this board for years now. Lower taxes: Good. Pretty simple really.

Erm... you answered your own question?


Deficit reduction is a major goal of the commission though. Are you having trouble understanding the topic?

The commission to reduce the deficit and national debt did not choose to recommend to eliminate the healthcare reform bill, presumably (since I'm not them) because it (A) is scored to lower the deficit which is their goal anyway and (B) contains provisions which work well with their goals. They decided that there were other places where their goals could be better met even if they didn't fulfill Gbaji's wet dream of making the scary Democratic stuff all go away.


Very convenient. Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown.


See? Full circle!

Edited, Nov 16th 2010 4:25pm by Jophiel

Keep up with that? Things that everyone else already knows? Grats on trying to sound smart by stating the obvious.


The rest is you crying about Democrats. Who could have foreseen that?

Oh wait! I did! Go me!

Erm, no I said that the CBO score probably played into their decision as well as the fact that aspects of the legislation supports what they're trying to do. And so there's undoubtedly other things that neither lower the deficit nor reduce debt that would make more sense to look at first.

When you can't even follow the basic thread of a conversation, how do you expect people to listen to your incessant whining?

Joph,





http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/debt-has-increased-5-trillion-speaker-pe

That scary democrat stuff.


2012 is going to be worse for the Dems than 2010 was. Only 28% of people polled think Obama is going to be re-elected and an even bigger number is only 1 out of 10 think the economy is going in the right direction. Dems will be going into 2012 with a lame duck president and twice the number of seats up for re-election. No amount of creative democrat figuring is going to change any of this.

Good days ahead.



Edited, Nov 17th 2010 9:15am by varusword75

Ok. So when I said that we should roll back as much of the "new spending" of the last two years, followed by a list of things which included as one solitary item the health care bill, your response of "But the CBO scored the bill as deficit neutral!" was an example of following the basic thread of the conversation?

Funny! Seemed more like a classic Jophiel sidetrack.

I think it is clear to all reading this gbaji has totally lost any marbles he might have had. Wait a few days for the meth shakes to ware off and try again with him. Usually he'll be more reasonable.