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#77 Nov 17 2010 at 12:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Fun news: FDA just slapped a warning on four caffeinated alcoholic beverage company, including Four.
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Washington (CNN) -- The U.S. Food and Drug Administration warned four companies Wednesday that their caffeinated alcoholic beverages posed a "public health concern" and could be seized under federal law.

The FDA's announcement follows a year-long study by the agency, which concluded that the caffeine added to the malt liquors was an "unsafe food additive." The FDA said companies issued warning letters include Phusion Projects, which manufactures Four Loko -- a beverage named in the hospitalizations of nine underage college students in Washington state in October -- and the makers of other drinks sold under brand names such as Core, Moonshot and Joose.


http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/17/alcohol.caffeine.drinks/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

Oh well, was fun while it lasted!
#78 Nov 17 2010 at 3:57 PM Rating: Good
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In other tangentially related news, Colbert did a bit about Four Loko and other caffinated alcoholic drinks last night, and even took a few swigs of the stuff on camera.

He described it as akin to "drinking the contents of a Duracell battery." I thought he was being too kind.
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#79 Nov 17 2010 at 4:20 PM Rating: Decent
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He described it as akin to "drinking the contents of a Duracell battery." I thought he was being too kind.


Sure, but that's what energy drinks taste like all on their own. They're pretty darn awful. It's not surprising given that people buy the non-alcoholic versions of those things that they'd be ok with the taste when getting drunk at a party.
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#80 Nov 17 2010 at 4:44 PM Rating: Good
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Fun news: FDA just slapped a warning on four caffeinated alcoholic beverage company, including Four.
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Washington (CNN) -- The U.S. Food and Drug Administration warned four companies Wednesday that their caffeinated alcoholic beverages posed a "public health concern" and could be seized under federal law.

The FDA's announcement follows a year-long study by the agency, which concluded that the caffeine added to the malt liquors was an "unsafe food additive." The FDA said companies issued warning letters include Phusion Projects, which manufactures Four Loko -- a beverage named in the hospitalizations of nine underage college students in Washington state in October -- and the makers of other drinks sold under brand names such as Core, Moonshot and Joose.


http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/17/alcohol.caffeine.drinks/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

Oh well, was fun while it lasted!
Why not have them just slap a label on it saying it is potentially harmful, like cigarettes do?

Where's an over-payed lobbyist when you need one?
#81 Nov 17 2010 at 5:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Bardalicious wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:

Oh well, was fun while it lasted!
Why not have them just slap a label on it saying it is potentially harmful, like cigarettes do?

Because that worked so well.
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#82 Nov 17 2010 at 6:30 PM Rating: Good
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Debalic wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:

Oh well, was fun while it lasted!
Why not have them just slap a label on it saying it is potentially harmful, like cigarettes do?

Because that worked so well.
My point is that we don't ban things just because they are bad for you.
#83 Nov 17 2010 at 6:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Speaking of things that may be or have been banned in certain places...

I got Double-Downs for myself (fried) and the wife (grilled). Those things are greasy, disgusting goodness. They symbolize everything that is wrong with American food, and I loved it.
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#84 Nov 17 2010 at 7:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Debalic wrote:
Speaking of things that may be or have been banned in certain places...

I got Double-Downs for myself (fried) and the wife (grilled). Those things are greasy, disgusting goodness. They symbolize everything that is wrong with American food, and I loved it.


And oddly enough, they have half the calories of a Big Mac!
#85 Nov 18 2010 at 3:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Both have 540 calories, n00b.
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#86 Nov 18 2010 at 3:36 PM Rating: Good
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He meant a BIG MAC.

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#87 Nov 18 2010 at 5:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Both have 540 calories, n00b.


Doh, my bad - I was thinking a Big Mac meal. Yes, the sandwiches alone have about the same.
#88 Nov 18 2010 at 9:27 PM Rating: Decent
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ZOMG! That guy drank and killed 4 people in a car crash, let's ban alcohol!

No, let's make driving drunk illegal and incarcerate people who can't follow the rules.


Wait a second. We've already got this. Is it working? Last number I heard was 1/4 drivers are handicapped in the way of either drugs or alcohol. I can't link source, boss's friends (who are cops) gave it to him. The depressing part about drunk drivers, is more often then not the drunk will survive and the people in the other car won't.

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There isn't a single ban a substance that can be used, consumed, etc., by an individual without infringing on the rights of another that doesn't encroach on the rights & freedoms of every single person in a society. If what an individual chooses to do in their own home or on their own time doesn't violate the rights of another, it should be legal. Period.


But consuming substances in the privacy of your own home or on your own time doesn't always just affect you. As nice as that would be, it doesn't. Alcoholics, do they affect their family? Friends? Drug addicts/the drug trade. This is by design private because they are illegal. Yet they're still pervasive and debilitating to anyone involved. You might say that it's because these people are taking it too far, but is it possible to not take crystal meth too far? Alcohol, stupid people doing stupid things happen because of it. I don't care for the bans on food.

The idea of as long as it doesn't violate someone else's rights is fine by me, and it follows John Locke's ideas. Only he was a bit of a joke in this regard, because he could never pinpoint that fine line. Only way to follow it would be to ban doing just about everything.

Edited, Nov 18th 2010 8:49pm by manicshock
#89 Nov 18 2010 at 10:05 PM Rating: Good
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Last number I heard was 1/4 drivers are handicapped in the way of either drugs or alcohol.

Maybe if you count people on aspirin or tylenol, hah.

#90 Nov 18 2010 at 10:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Bardalicious wrote:
manicshock wrote:
Last number I heard was 1/4 drivers are handicapped in the way of either drugs or alcohol.

Maybe if you count people on aspirin or tylenol, hah.



The other main statistic was 1/8 people simply aren't fit to drive. Do you believe that?
#91 Nov 18 2010 at 11:01 PM Rating: Good
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manicshock wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
manicshock wrote:
Last number I heard was 1/4 drivers are handicapped in the way of either drugs or alcohol.

Maybe if you count people on aspirin or tylenol, hah.



The other main statistic was 1/8 people simply aren't fit to drive. Do you believe that?

No, Y chromosomes aren't that plentiful. It's more like 1/2.
#92 Nov 18 2010 at 11:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Bardalicious wrote:
manicshock wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
manicshock wrote:
Last number I heard was 1/4 drivers are handicapped in the way of either drugs or alcohol.

Maybe if you count people on aspirin or tylenol, hah.



The other main statistic was 1/8 people simply aren't fit to drive. Do you believe that?

No, Y chromosomes aren't that plentiful. It's more like 1/2.
I feel as though you could use a course in fractions.
#93 Nov 18 2010 at 11:59 PM Rating: Decent
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LeWoVoc wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
manicshock wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
manicshock wrote:
Last number I heard was 1/4 drivers are handicapped in the way of either drugs or alcohol.

Maybe if you count people on aspirin or tylenol, hah.



The other main statistic was 1/8 people simply aren't fit to drive. Do you believe that?

No, Y chromosomes aren't that plentiful. It's more like 1/2.
I feel as though you could use a course in fractions.
Or you don't understand genetics

Protip: I was implying women can't drive.
#94 Nov 19 2010 at 12:52 AM Rating: Decent
Bardalicious wrote:
LeWoVoc wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
manicshock wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
manicshock wrote:
Last number I heard was 1/4 drivers are handicapped in the way of either drugs or alcohol.

Maybe if you count people on aspirin or tylenol, hah.



The other main statistic was 1/8 people simply aren't fit to drive. Do you believe that?

No, Y chromosomes aren't that plentiful. It's more like 1/2.
I feel as though you could use a course in fractions.
Or you don't understand genetics

Protip: I was implying women can't drive.
Yes, but 1/2 is greater than 1/8.
#95 Nov 19 2010 at 4:56 AM Rating: Good
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He definitely worded that in the most asinine way possible, but you 2 just aren't paying attention.
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#96 Nov 19 2010 at 5:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
He definitely worded that in the most asinine way possible, but you 2 just aren't paying attention.


I got it. Doesn't change the fact that it was fail.
#97 Nov 19 2010 at 8:07 AM Rating: Good
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Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
LeWoVoc wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
manicshock wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
manicshock wrote:
Last number I heard was 1/4 drivers are handicapped in the way of either drugs or alcohol.

Maybe if you count people on aspirin or tylenol, hah.



The other main statistic was 1/8 people simply aren't fit to drive. Do you believe that?

No, Y chromosomes aren't that plentiful. It's more like 1/2.
I feel as though you could use a course in fractions.
Or you don't understand genetics

Protip: I was implying women can't drive.
Yes, but 1/2 is greater than 1/8.
which is why I don't believe it is 1/8.
#98 Nov 19 2010 at 8:26 AM Rating: Good
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Wait a second. We've already got this. Is it working? Last number I heard was 1/4 drivers are handicapped in the way of either drugs or alcohol. I can't link source, boss's friends (who are cops) gave it to him. The depressing part about drunk drivers, is more often then not the drunk will survive and the people in the other car won't.

So, what's your point? We should ban alcohol? If so, f'uck you, you're an idiot. If not, shut up, grown folks is talkin.

manicshock wrote:
But consuming substances in the privacy of your own home or on your own time doesn't always just affect you. As nice as that would be, it doesn't. Alcoholics, do they affect their family? Friends? Drug addicts/the drug trade. This is by design private because they are illegal. Yet they're still pervasive and debilitating to anyone involved. You might say that it's because these people are taking it too far, but is it possible to not take crystal meth too far? Alcohol, stupid people doing stupid things happen because of it. I don't care for the bans on food.

The amount of stupidity in this paragraph could choke a small elephant. Abuse of a substance leads to destructive behavior and the consequence of that destructive behavior (violence, etc.) can and should be criminalized because it then becomes an infringement on the rights of others. That doesn't even begin to address the idea that the criminalization of consensual acts, in which the participants are all adults free to make the choice, is ridiculous. Your comments about the drug trade's illegality go so far as to argue the opposite using the problem as the evidence. Maybe you should step back from the keys and kill yourself. It would save the rest of us from your need for a controlling government to keep you safe.

manicshock wrote:
The idea of as long as it doesn't violate someone else's rights is fine by me, and it follows John Locke's ideas. Only he was a bit of a joke in this regard, because he could never pinpoint that fine line. Only way to follow it would be to ban doing just about everything.

The fine line isn't fine at all. It is very clear and easy to spot. If you're violating someone else's rights, you're wrong. If not, the government has no place telling you you can't engage in an action.
#99 Nov 19 2010 at 10:29 AM Rating: Default
Moe,

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The fine line isn't fine at all. It is very clear and easy to spot. If you're violating someone else's rights, you're wrong. If not, the government has no place telling you you can't engage in an action.


The govn obviously thinks its place is to dictate the actions of it's citizens. And enough people believe this which is why Obama is president and we have obamacare.
#100 Nov 19 2010 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
Moe,

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The fine line isn't fine at all. It is very clear and easy to spot. If you're violating someone else's rights, you're wrong. If not, the government has no place telling you you can't engage in an action.


The govn obviously thinks its place is to dictate the actions of it's citizens. And enough people believe this which is why Obama is president and we have obamacare.
/yawn.
#101 Nov 19 2010 at 3:21 PM Rating: Default
Bardalicious wrote:
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
LeWoVoc wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
manicshock wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
manicshock wrote:
Last number I heard was 1/4 drivers are handicapped in the way of either drugs or alcohol.
Maybe if you count people on aspirin or tylenol, hah.
The other main statistic was 1/8 people simply aren't fit to drive. Do you believe that?

No, Y chromosomes aren't that plentiful. It's more like 1/2.
I feel as though you could use a course in fractions.
Or you don't understand genetics

Protip: I was implying women can't drive.
Yes, but 1/2 is greater than 1/8.
which is why I don't believe it is 1/8.
You said they "aren't that plentiful". Then you gave a larger number. Your first sentence means they are less plentiful than 1/8, which directly contradicts your second sentence.
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