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#77 Nov 12 2010 at 2:47 PM Rating: Good
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I can't wait for the day when my communications node can be injected into my jawbone with a needle and my STI test is permanently implanted in my body with a wireless connection to my jaw. Then I can test my pee with my teeth, oh...wait.
#78 Nov 12 2010 at 2:51 PM Rating: Good
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#80 Nov 12 2010 at 3:04 PM Rating: Good
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Where, precisely, was I wrong?
In your attempt to explain that people who have smart phones and feel the necessity to be constantly checked for STIs would rather use their phones as opposed to a separate, more effective and more accurate device. There will be a group of people who would rather use their phones, but not large enough where a separate device wouldn't make profit, which was my initial claim.
Why does a completely separate device need to be more accurate? All the phone is doing is reading and displaying the results anyway.

This is under the assumption that the application is restricted to an already designed device. Given this, a new device can be built for the application. So, instead of focusing on various unrelated functions, i.e. a camera, the entire device would be designed for reading and analyzing results. This would allow any additional functions that weren't added due to any possible phone restrictions. If this is a false assumption, then that means the price of this device should be even less than previously mentioned.

You were dropped as a baby. A lot.

A) I never said people who have smart phones might "feel the necessity to be constantly checked for STIs."

B) Had I, there is no reason to believe that a stand alone, hand held test with (near)real time results available would be any more accurate or effective than a purpose built peripheral for a smart phone.

C) Applications are portable, as in they can be "ported" to different platforms, in many cases with little effort.

D) If you think any "new device" built for fluid testing would use some revolutionary new hardware and software purpose built for the at home medical test market, you're stoned.

E) Smart phones have interface ports. Interface ports allow you to add anything not already in the device, including a ham sandwich.

In conclusion, you're a f'ucking wast of oxygen. Send me a headshot and I will forward it to NARAL so you can be the poster child for retroactive abortion.
#81 Nov 12 2010 at 3:18 PM Rating: Good
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E) Smart phones have interface ports. Interface ports allow you to add anything not already in the device, including a ham sandwich.
I want a smartphone that can make me ham sandwiches now.
#82 Nov 12 2010 at 3:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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This is being pushed by England and the expected cost for the disposable things that plug into your phone are approximately $1.50 each.

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#83 Nov 12 2010 at 5:13 PM Rating: Default
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Moe wrote:
A) I never said people who have smart phones might "feel the necessity to be constantly checked for STIs."


I never implied that either. You replaced my word "and" with your word "might". I guess you missed the connection made earlier that only people who feel the necessity to be constantly checked for STI's should be the ones using such an application, regardless if it's on the phone or not. If you're only checking yourselves every once in a while, then you're better off going to a free clinic where you have an expert that you can consult with if there's any questions or concerns.

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B) Had I, there is no reason to believe that a stand alone, hand held test with (near)real time results available would be any more accurate or effective than a purpose built peripheral for a smart phone.

C) Applications are portable, as in they can be "ported" to different platforms, in many cases with little effort.


E) Smart phones have interface ports. Interface ports allow you to add anything not already in the device, including a ham sandwich.



Technology improve all of the time and I think it's safe to say that cell phones (to include smart phones) are one of the fastest changing and evolving forms of technology that we have. They change and upgrade because the newer phones can do stuff that the current or older phones could not. So, for you to imply that our phones now are the "end all" of technology improvement and there aren't things that our current phones can't or just don't do is plum silly.

I don't know the breakdown of this application, so it's technological advancements might have been effectively capped, but I'm not claiming one way or the other. This is because I also realize that it may very well be limited to our current phones, which is highly more likely than what you're claiming.

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D) If you think any "new device" built for fluid testing would use some revolutionary new hardware and software purpose built for the at home medical test market, you're stoned.


I'm pretty sure when I said that the technology already exists, it meant the exact opposite of your claim. The entire point of my claim is that there is a percentage of people who would rather buy a separate device than using their phone and profit can be made off of that.

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In conclusion, you're a f'ucking wast of oxygen. Send me a headshot and I will forward it to NARAL so you can be the poster child for retroactive abortion.


I'm sorry if you feel that I'm a wast of oxygen...
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#85 Nov 12 2010 at 6:56 PM Rating: Decent
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D) If you think any "new device" built for fluid testing would use some revolutionary new hardware and software purpose built for the at home medical test market, you're stoned.


I'm pretty sure when I said that the technology already exists, it meant the exact opposite of your claim. The entire point of my claim is that there is a percentage of people who would rather buy a separate device than using their phone and profit can be made off of that.


I'm sure there's "a percentage", but it's likely very very small, making the second half of your statement that "profit can be made off that" somewhat less than likely. I don't know why you keep refusing to believe this, despite several people in this thread, at least two of which have pretty direct knowledge of the technology being actually used, telling you repeatedly that the disposable component that actually interacts with the fluid to generate the results is incredibly inexpensive. It's the thing you connect it to which has to interpret the results and display it in some meaningful way that costs vastly more. And guess what? That device need not be specially purpose built. It just has to be able to do the job. A phone with an app can do it. Or a computer with an app can do it. Or you can reproduce the most expensive components of those things to build a special purpose device that can do it. The difference is that the expensive parts of the first two examples can be used for other things, while they can't be in the last example.

That's why it's so cost effective to do it this way.
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#86 Nov 12 2010 at 7:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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What's the big deal about pee? There's hardly any bacteria, and any viruses present are ones you already have. It's not that gross. Well, my own pee anyway. Other people's pee is gross.

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Would you drink pee? No, I didn't think so. Because it's gross.
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Would you drink pee? No, I didn't think so. Because it's gross.


So are soda and alcohol, but I don't see a lot of people concerned about those.
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Because they're not actually gross, moran.
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#90 Nov 12 2010 at 9:27 PM Rating: Decent
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D) If you think any "new device" built for fluid testing would use some revolutionary new hardware and software purpose built for the at home medical test market, you're stoned.


I'm pretty sure when I said that the technology already exists, it meant the exact opposite of your claim. The entire point of my claim is that there is a percentage of people who would rather buy a separate device than using their phone and profit can be made off of that.


I'm sure there's "a percentage", but it's likely very very small, making the second half of your statement that "profit can be made off that" somewhat less than likely. I don't know why you keep refusing to believe this, despite several people in this thread, at least two of which have pretty direct knowledge of the technology being actually used, telling you repeatedly that the disposable component that actually interacts with the fluid to generate the results is incredibly inexpensive. It's the thing you connect it to which has to interpret the results and display it in some meaningful way that costs vastly more. And guess what? That device need not be specially purpose built. It just has to be able to do the job. A phone with an app can do it. Or a computer with an app can do it. Or you can reproduce the most expensive components of those things to build a special purpose device that can do it. The difference is that the expensive parts of the first two examples can be used for other things, while they can't be in the last example.

That's why it's so cost effective to do it this way.


Given that allakhazam posters are the only people that I've heard that don't see a problem with it, uh it's very simple to refuse your claim. Every person's opinion IRL that I've heard thought the concept of urinating on your phone was pretty disgusting. As I mentioned earlier, I heard this topic first on the radio as a joke, like "WTF would anyone do this?".

Because I have yet met anyone outside of allakhazam that doesn't see an issue with this, I will stand by my claim. It's really not that serious for your cell phone to test STI's through urination.

What you are doing is arguing that somehow there will be some huge cost involved, when in actuality smart phones are already being produced. I saw smart phones today for little over a $100. If this application is so basic and simple, an actual device would cost minimal.

Even then, if the cost is sooooo much for you to create your own device, then partner with an already existing company making the device. In either case, you would make more money.

I'm not sure what planet you're living in, but there are stigmas involved with certain bodily wastes. Your toilet seat has less germs than your kitchen sink, which one are people more likely to touch or eat from? My point exactly.

Your only argument is that people wont put out the money and that's blatantly false. Once again, the need to have the newest and "best" thing completely trumps the need of versatility. Think about all the people who bought iPod Touches just to touch their screens as they listen to music? How many people went out and bought Blu-Ray movies of DVD's that they already owned? How many people upgraded to the highest Internet speeds so they can check their email? Does anyone even know how many times Dragonball Z has been re-re-released? How many MAC users do you know have some combination of an iPod, iPad, iPhone and a macbook?

The reality is, rather you want to accept it or not, people are more than willing to dish out money for minor upgrades or even beautified sidegrades. Knowing this and the fact that people generally don't like to have physical contact with their snot, urine, ***** or any other fluids/solids that come from our body, it is very simple to see that people would buy this. To say otherwise is to say that people don't waste money on things that they really don't need and that would be silly.
#91 Nov 12 2010 at 10:01 PM Rating: Good
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Would you drink pee? No, I didn't think so. Because it's gross.
Nah, but i don't drink milk either. There's nothing gross about either. Ya know, except the taste.
#92 Nov 13 2010 at 7:55 AM Rating: Default
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Would you drink pee? No, I didn't think so. Because it's gross.
Nah, but i don't drink milk either. There's nothing gross about either. Ya know, except the taste.


That's only true for your own personal observation.
#93 Nov 13 2010 at 8:05 AM Rating: Good
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Given that allakhazam posters are the only people that I've heard that don't see a problem with it, uh it's very simple to refuse your claim. Every person's opinion IRL that I've heard thought the concept of urinating on your phone was pretty disgusting. As I mentioned earlier, I heard this topic first on the radio as a joke, like "WTF would anyone do this?".
Except that you won't be peeing on your phone or even on anything that's going to connect to your phone so your argument is invalid.
I'm assuming that you'll hold a swab in the stream of your pee and then smear it on some small, cheap device that can be plugged into your smartphone.
And as the post above you says it's expected to cost $1.50 which sounds about right for a disposable DIY test.
#94 Nov 13 2010 at 11:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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seriously, you have to drop this whole, 'I don't want to pee on my phone line' It's silly and doesn't reflect what's actually going on.
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#95 Nov 13 2010 at 12:33 PM Rating: Decent
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seriously, you have to drop this whole, 'I don't want to pee on my phone line' It's silly and doesn't reflect what's actually going on.


ok, how about this.. "I don't want my phone to have any relationship to my urine". Is that better for you?
#96 Nov 13 2010 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
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seriously, you have to drop this whole, 'I don't want to pee on my phone line' It's silly and doesn't reflect what's actually going on.
ok, how about this.. "I don't want my phone to have any relationship to my urine". Is that better for you?
Close. Maybe something like "i don't want to pee on a cotton swab, that then touches a cheap piece of plastic/whatever surface it goes on, which then plugs into my phone, with no pee ever coming into contact with anything that doesn't get thrown away right after."

That would work.
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Almalieque wrote:
Sir Xsarus wrote:
seriously, you have to drop this whole, 'I don't want to pee on my phone line' It's silly and doesn't reflect what's actually going on.


ok, how about this.. "I don't want my phone to have any relationship to my urine". Is that better for you?


I don't see where anyone said you had to.
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San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
Almalieque The Man of the hour, no the Decade wrote:
Sir Xsarus wrote:
seriously, you have to drop this whole, 'I don't want to pee on my phone line' It's silly and doesn't reflect what's actually going on.
ok, how about this.. "I don't want my phone to have any relationship to my urine". Is that better for you?
Close. Maybe something like "i don't want to pee on a cotton swab, that then touches a cheap piece of plastic/whatever surface it goes on, which then plugs into my phone, with no pee ever coming into contact with anything that doesn't get thrown away right after."

That would work.


Since what I said encompasses what you said, but with fewer words, I'll stick to what I said. Thanks for the suggestion though.
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Still, I highly doubt that many people will want a seperate (expensive) device made to test for STI's over a $1.50 disposable device that you'd have to plug into your phone.
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Still, I highly doubt that many people will want a seperate (expensive) device made to test for STI's over a $1.50 disposable device that you'd have to plug into your phone.


This is because you're just fantasizing an ideal scenario to benefit your point. Earlier it was argued that it was more cost effective to not have a disposable part and now people are arguing to say it would be cheaper.

The truth is, probably none of you all actually know how much it costs and the exact details of this application and nor does it matter, because the fact still revolves around the combination of urine and a cell phone.

If you need to be checked that many times to where you actually need to have such an application, that $1.50 disposable device will no doubt cost more than a device in the long run. If you're not using it that often, once again, you're better off going to the doctor and getting a real test with human interaction.
#101 Nov 13 2010 at 5:46 PM Rating: Decent
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If you need to be checked that many times to where you actually need to have such an application, that $1.50 disposable device will no doubt cost more than a device in the long run. If you're not using it that often, once again, you're better off going to the doctor and getting a real test with human interaction.
But then you'd have to wash the pee off of it! EWWWWWW!
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