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#1 Nov 09 2010 at 10:56 AM Rating: Good
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Cell phone app to test for STD's:
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Doctors and technology experts are developing small devices, similar to pregnancy testing kits, that will tell someone quickly and privately if they have caught an infection through sexual contact.

People who suspect they have been infected will be able to put urine or saliva on to a computer chip about the size of a USB chip, plug it into their phone or computer and receive a diagnosis within minutes, telling them which, if any, sexually transmitted infection (STI) they have. Seven funders, including the Medical Research Council, have put £4m into developing the technology via a forum called the UK Clinical Research Collaboration.


Here's another nifty app:

A pre-posting sobriety check.

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The Social Media Sobriety Test is a free plug-in for Firefox web browsers.

It requires a user of Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, Flickr, YouTube or Tumblr to perform a coordination test before being allowed to access the service.

The tests include keeping a cursor inside a moving circle or correctly identifying a series of flashing lights.

If a user fails they will be blocked from using a service.


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#2 Nov 09 2010 at 10:58 AM Rating: Good
There are... eight... lights!!!
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#4 Nov 09 2010 at 11:03 AM Rating: Good
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There are... eight... lights!!!









Edited, Nov 9th 2010 6:15pm by Elinda
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The first one sounds really nifty and potentially beneficial to society, the second one sounds like a complete /facepalm app.
#6 Nov 09 2010 at 1:47 PM Rating: Decent
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The first one sounds really nifty and potentially beneficial to society, the second one sounds like a complete /facepalm app.


I ask you... which one would prevent more stupid things from happening?
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The first one sounds really nifty and potentially beneficial to society
In theory maybe. How many people will want to touch something as small as a microchip after they've peed on it? No getting around it, you've got **** on your fingers. As well, do you think most people will properly clean either the microchip or the USB port after having used it?
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#8 Nov 09 2010 at 2:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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LockeColeMA wrote:
The first one sounds really nifty and potentially beneficial to society, the second one sounds like a complete /facepalm app.


I ask you... which one would prevent more stupid things from happening?


I just turn off my computer before getting messed up - never have to worry about posting because it's too much effort to turn it on, log in, etc.

The portable STI test I would definitely use. Another weapon in the ******* of safer sex.
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How many people will want to touch something as small as a microchip after they've peed on it? No getting around it, you've got **** on your fingers. As well, do you think most people will properly clean either the microchip or the USB port after having used it?

Q-tip swab ftw! Not sure about the cleaning thing though... ew...
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This is a bad thing. People will be less careful as there is a perception that identifying a problem early somehow makes it less of a problem. If people can just check themselves post risky behavior they'll feel safer taking risks.
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Yodabunny wrote:
This is a bad thing. People will be less careful as there is a perception that identifying a problem early somehow makes it less of a problem. If people can just check themselves post risky behavior they'll feel safer taking risks.

"Hey baby, before we go all the way, I need you to do something for me. Don't worry, I'll reciprocate."

Not just about oral anymore!
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Yodabunny wrote:
This is a bad thing. People will be less careful as there is a perception that identifying a problem early somehow makes it less of a problem. If people can just check themselves post risky behavior they'll feel safer taking risks.
Nah, do seat belts cause people to drive less safe?

Or, a better example: Did home pregnancy tests cause there to be more unwanted pregnancies?

The test doesn't prevent the disease. You still have to go to a doctor for treatment.
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Demea wrote:
Yodabunny wrote:
This is a bad thing. People will be less careful as there is a perception that identifying a problem early somehow makes it less of a problem. If people can just check themselves post risky behavior they'll feel safer taking risks.

"Hey baby, before we go all the way, I need you to do something for me. Don't worry, I'll reciprocate."

Not just about oral anymore!
Well now, if you post test results on fb that state you're clean - maybe you have a better chance of getting laid.
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Elinda wrote:
Demea wrote:
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This is a bad thing. People will be less careful as there is a perception that identifying a problem early somehow makes it less of a problem. If people can just check themselves post risky behavior they'll feel safer taking risks.

"Hey baby, before we go all the way, I need you to do something for me. Don't worry, I'll reciprocate."

Not just about oral anymore!
Well now, if you post test results on fb that state you're clean - maybe you have a better chance of getting laid.

Not the first time that somebody has been on this train of thought. I can't find the exact post, but I think it was Ian Ayres, writing at the Freakonomics blog on NYTimes.com.
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The test doesn't prevent the disease. You still have to go to a doctor for treatment.


The test gives the impression that you're clean. That's not necessarily true. There's a lot that can't be tested this way. It will lead to more unprotected sex when Joe teenager shows his girlfriend his iSTD results.

People will be using this the morning after, they won't be getting accurate results but they will be using those results to justify not using a condom.

Seat belts give people a additional sense of safety. Rightly so, they are safer while wearing one, but people are more likely to take risks because of this. Also, seat belts are closer to condoms, this is more like your engine light.

Home pregnancy tests didn't cause more unwanted pregnancies but this will.
#15 Nov 09 2010 at 2:57 PM Rating: Good
Since the powerful magnetic fields generated from the phone already is doing harm to you maybe they can also add a cancer test!
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Yodabunny wrote:

Home pregnancy tests didn't cause more unwanted pregnancies but this will.


Bull. It is an illogical jump to think "just because he's STI free means we should have unsafe sex!" (and note, by "unsafe" I mean no birth control of ANY kind). Almost everyone I know who uses condoms are afraid first and foremost of pregnancy, and then STIs.

That's like arguing that Gardasil makes more women get pregnant because it prevents the spread of 4 types of HPV, so of course you should forgo the pill! Smiley: oyvey
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It is an illogical jump to think "just because he's STI free means we should have unsafe sex!"


I didn't say it was logical. You ask a teenager why they use a condom you're generally going to get something about diseases as an answer (disease brings a certain stigma to a teen, pregnancy brings attention). With the state of sexual education they can just pull out right? Teens are the most likely demographic to use this technology as it provides anonymity which adults don't value quite the same way.

The people you know are likely from the more educated side of society.
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LockeColeMA wrote:
It is an illogical jump to think "just because he's STI free means we should have unsafe sex!"


I didn't say it was logical. You ask a teenager why they use a condom you're generally going to get something about diseases as an answer (disease brings a certain stigma to a teen, pregnancy brings attention). With the state of sexual education they can just pull out right? Teens are the most likely demographic to use this technology as it provides anonymity which adults don't value quite the same way.

The people you know are likely from the more educated side of society.


It's possible. But even back in public school, pregnancy was the number one fear, hands down. Granted, MA public schools have a wide degree of variety (I went to school on Cape Cod, not inner city Boston), but it seemed pretty universal. As you said, it has a lot to do with stigma - and teenage pregnancy was the number 1 taboo I heard of as a teen.

By college diseases became more of an issue because pregnancy practically ceased to be one - almost all the girls I knew in college were on the pill, or would demand their partner use a condom.

I still find it very hard to believe that people would think an STI-clear scoresheet would justify a chance at pregnancy. Maybe it just got beat into my head at an early age that you MUST use a condom.

... truth be told, it traumatized me a bit! I remember the first time I had sex we went through 3 condoms, because I was afraid any slippage would be dangerous, so we had to throw it out and use a new one Smiley: laugh
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I might not be speaking for the majority of the country when I say this, but around here, condoms are considered unmanly and not used if at all possible. I think it's a load of sh*t, of course, but I've found it to be the general consensus. Something like this would probably be used to reinforce not using a condom.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 3:11pm by LeWoVoc
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Yodabunny wrote:

Home pregnancy tests didn't cause more unwanted pregnancies but this will.


Bull. It is an illogical jump to think "just because he's STI free means we should have unsafe sex!" (and note, by "unsafe" I mean no birth control of ANY kind). Almost everyone I know who uses condoms are afraid first and foremost of pregnancy, and then STIs.

That's like arguing that Gardasil makes more women get pregnant because it prevents the spread of 4 types of HPV, so of course you should forgo the pill! Smiley: oyvey


And yet, your first response was the following:

LockeColeMA wrote:

The portable STI test I would definitely use. Another weapon in the ******* of safer sex.


How does an STI test provide "safer sex"? It doesn't at all. What it does do is exactly what a few posters have commented on: It makes people think that sax is "safer". No one thinks "I can take an easy test to see if I got an STI, so it's ok for me to not use any form of protection". That's not what I'm saying. What they do is get a general sense that sex is safer because of the mere availability of things like condoms, pills, and easy STI tests. And that's going to tend to increase their willingness to have sex with someone than otherwise, even if they themselves don't actually use any of those things at all.


Is that stupid? Absolutely. But a hell of a lot of people are stupid. It's the same sort of psychology that causes a statistical increase in the consumption of fattening foods after people have been exposed to commercials about the "non-fat" versions of the same foods. Why? Because some part of the brain has shifted "eating chocolate" (or whatever) from bad to "ok". Publicize a study showing that a glass of red wine a day is good for your health, and watch the rate at which people purchase and consume beer and hard liquor go up. Same sort of thing.


I'm not saying that we shouldn't develop stuff like this. But never underestimate the ability of dumb people to find new dumb ways to do things no matter how much you try to make it hard for them. What's the saying? There's no such thing as "idiot proof" because the world just keeps making better idiots.
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Nah, do seat belts cause people to drive less safe?
Maybe.

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Other research has taken groups of drivers, including those who did and did not habitually wear seat-belts, and measured the effect on driving style in the habitually unbelted. The drivers were found to drive faster and less carefully when belted.


Edited, Nov 10th 2010 1:32am by Poldaran
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Yodabunny wrote:

Home pregnancy tests didn't cause more unwanted pregnancies but this will.


Bull. It is an illogical jump to think "just because he's STI free means we should have unsafe sex!" (and note, by "unsafe" I mean no birth control of ANY kind). Almost everyone I know who uses condoms are afraid first and foremost of pregnancy, and then STIs.

That's like arguing that Gardasil makes more women get pregnant because it prevents the spread of 4 types of HPV, so of course you should forgo the pill! Smiley: oyvey


And yet, your first response was the following:

LockeColeMA wrote:

The portable STI test I would definitely use. Another weapon in the ******* of safer sex.


How does an STI test provide "safer sex"? It doesn't at all. What it does do is exactly what a few posters have commented on: It makes people think that sax is "safer". No one thinks "I can take an easy test to see if I got an STI, so it's ok for me to not use any form of protection". That's not what I'm saying. What they do is get a general sense that sex is safer because of the mere availability of things like condoms, pills, and easy STI tests. And that's going to tend to increase their willingness to have sex with someone than otherwise, even if they themselves don't actually use any of those things at all.


Hi, HPV would like to have a word with you. I'm assuming that would be one of the diseases you can test for (as the blurb in the OP did not say), and condoms don't protect against it.

Edit: Reading over your opinion again, I guess I have more to add. Even if there is the idea of reverse psychology, I still feel more access to information is not a bad thing. I personally would use it, if I ever had a sexual encounter outside of a relationship, even though I use condoms as a rule. It should go hand-in-hand with better sex ed; if Yoda's experiences are true, it seems the main problem is a lack of decent education about how sex, disease, and pregnancy work. I'd put it on the same line of the birth control pill - they need to include "Does not protect against HIV or STIs" because people aren't educated on it. Has birth control increased diseases? I would imagine it has - because people have a lack of education. More information on a subject is not bad unless it is incomplete information.

Edited, Nov 10th 2010 8:22am by LockeColeMA
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Yodabunny wrote:
Elinda wrote:
The test doesn't prevent the disease. You still have to go to a doctor for treatment.


The test gives the impression that you're clean.
Huh?
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Elinda wrote:
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Elinda wrote:
The test doesn't prevent the disease. You still have to go to a doctor for treatment.


The test gives the impression that you're clean.
Huh?


I think it relates to his next paragraph:
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People will be using this the morning after, they won't be getting accurate results but they will be using those results to justify not using a condom.


Of course, this brings up two issues:
1. This means that they're justifying after the fact. Just because they use the test after, it didn't affect their decision to have unprotected sex the night before. Thus, it wouldn't have any effect in this situation on whether or not they used a condom. It would just affect treatment.
2. If they're using the test wrong, it is not the fault of the test if the results are incorrect. That's like saying condoms aren't useful because some idiots put them on inside out or don't put them on until right before they ejaculate.

Like Yoda said later, people will still do this even if it's not logical. I think the answer is clear instructions and good sexual education.
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How does an STI test provide "safer sex"? It doesn't at all. What it does do is exactly what a few posters have commented on: It makes people think that sax is "safer".
Bull.

You can't argue your stupid premises based off what YOU think people will or will not do. The technology simply provides a test to check for a disease. If more people learn, and learn sooner that they have a communicable disease it will stem the spread of that disease. This premise has been worked time and again despite the very small percentage that may misunderstand and/or misuse the information they're provided.






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Elinda wrote:
gbaji wrote:

How does an STI test provide "safer sex"? It doesn't at all. What it does do is exactly what a few posters have commented on: It makes people think that sax is "safer".
Bull.

You can't argue your stupid premises based off what YOU think people will or will not do. The technology simply provides a test to check for a disease. If more people learn, and learn sooner that they have a communicable disease it will stem the spread of that disease. This premise has been worked time and again despite the very small percentage that may misunderstand and/or misuse the information they're provided.

Come on, you can't seriously suggest people don't engage in riskier behavior when they have supposed "safety nets".
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