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#1 Nov 09 2010 at 10:54 AM Rating: Good
Would any of you support dumping the penny as US currency? In your home nation, is there a similar low value coin you would opt to dispose of? Obviously, transactions would be rounded for cash, but could be preserved at current levels of accuracy for electronic transactions.

Insert Superman II plot joke here.

Although the production of most all US coins is declining, down from the peak at which about 50 pennies were produced per person in the US per year, there are still literally tons of coins produced and shipped around the nation wasting a great deal of time and energy above and beyond the time required to make exact change.

The overwhelming majority of pennies do not make it back to banks (whereas the majority of more valuable coins, such as quarters, do) meaning on net most are simply lost.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 8:55am by yossarian
#2 Nov 09 2010 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
I'm not sure I understand what the effects of that could be. Obviously, if the outcome would be mostly positive, I'd be for it.
#3 Nov 09 2010 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
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I have no use for it.

#4 Nov 09 2010 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
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I propose doing away with material money all together - except gold.

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#5 Nov 09 2010 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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I would like to dump the penny, off the side of a skyscraper into someone's face.
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#6 Nov 09 2010 at 11:14 AM Rating: Good
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I would like to dump the penny, off the side of a skyscraper into someone's face.
As a kid I went on a field trip to the Foshay Tower in downtown Mpls. Then, at 25 stories it was the tallest building on the scene. I think the only thing I remember about the visit was the tour guy telling us a half-dollar dropped from the observation deck we were on would kill a person if it landed on them.

He didn't demonstrate.....
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#7 Nov 09 2010 at 11:16 AM Rating: Good
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I propose doing away with material money all together - except gold.

Dude, totally.
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#8 Nov 09 2010 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
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Our smallest coin is the 10c piece. Its worth about 7.8US cents and is mostly used for unscrewing the battery compartment of my waterproof phone.

Wow! our dollar is worth .78 of your dollars! No wonder its so cheap to buy your stuff...You guys should keep printing money like you are...
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#9 Nov 09 2010 at 12:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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No wonder its so cheap to buy your stuff.

Good. Buy moar of it plz kkthx~la
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#10 Nov 09 2010 at 1:53 PM Rating: Good
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Make everything electronic. Scrap all paper and coins.

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#11 Nov 09 2010 at 2:00 PM Rating: Good
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Make everything electronic. Scrap all paper and coins.


I can't stash 1's and 0's under my mattress. Smiley: mad
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#12 Nov 09 2010 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Make everything electronic. Scrap all paper and coins.


I can't stash 1's and 0's under my mattress. Smiley: mad
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#13 Nov 09 2010 at 2:17 PM Rating: Good
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I'm for getting rid of it. I had heard that it costs more to make a penny than the penny is even worth, so why are we still making them?
#14 Nov 09 2010 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
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I'm for getting rid of it. I had heard that it costs more to make a penny than the penny is even worth, so why are we still making them?

Because fiat currency doesn't function only as a physical means to store value, but also as a physical means to transfer value. In economics jargon, the "velocity of money" is much more important than the actual denomination of the note/coin.

Of course, if all pennies get stuck in jars waiting to be counted at the grocery store, or stuck between couch cushions, they're pretty worthless.

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#15 Nov 09 2010 at 2:25 PM Rating: Decent
Yes, it costs more to produce pennies than each one is worth - last I heard the value was about 1.8 cents each. Since the cost of copper skyrocketed, it may have since gone up.

They used to be pure copper, but the interior was replaced with zinc several decades ago when that became too expensive. And now, the value of zinc has also gone up, and once again the metals used inside a penny are worth more than one cent.

I'd like to do away with the penny, for sure. I think this is an issue conservatives and liberals can even agree on, here.

- Liberals: Less metal in circulation means less metal that needs to be mined, mitigating the environmental impact.
- Conservatives: Less money in circulation is less US tender cash, resulting in a smaller, more efficient US Mint, i.e. smaller government.

Win/win!
#16 Nov 09 2010 at 3:15 PM Rating: Default
For quite a few years the debate has gone around about getting rid of the penny. The last few years it cost way more to make them than before. The country was actually loosing money on each penny into the hundreds of millions. They even tried Zinc for an alternative. The 17 samples distributed about the house of Representatives as part of a proposal were an interesting thing. Only 5 were handed back. Your public officials actually stole them. I know several have surfaced over the years for thousands to collectors. (Maybe one of the Benefits of being in public office?) So far dispute the cost and proposals the people like their pennies.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 4:17pm by Tailmon
#17 Nov 09 2010 at 3:28 PM Rating: Good
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The country was actually loosing money on each penny into the hundreds of millions.

Again, this is not how fiat currency works. Smiley: mad
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The country was actually loosing money on each penny into the hundreds of millions.

Again, this is not how fiat currency works. Smiley: mad


Or how you spell losing.
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#19 Nov 09 2010 at 3:44 PM Rating: Good
What is interesting and kind of relevant to this is that the UK got rid of half-pennies less than 15 years after the decimal system was introduced, and didn't make it much longer in Ireland, both existed in the 70s and 80s, or so the Internet says.

What I encountered in Denmark was kind of frustrating - things would have price tags of something like "79.95kr" (that was for my hairbrush), but the smallest coin is 50 øre (0.5kr) at the moment, so you effectively pay more for almost everything if you use cash. Now mind you, 5 øre is about as much as a cent, but my point is that their system is really strange as the Danish crown has lost a lot of value over the last 70 or so years, more than most other currencies have, and they've repeatedly introduced coins of higher value and withdrawn the smallest ones. And that doesn't mean their economy is worse off than any of the ones where you pay less than 79.95 for a hairbrush, the average income over there is actually higher than in most, if not all, the Commonwealth English-speaking countries.

I'd rather go back to buying some sweets for a Pfennig a piece, though, really. Not even Sainsbury's Basics is that cheap anymore.
#20 Nov 09 2010 at 3:56 PM Rating: Good
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The Euro officially has both 1 and 2 cent coins but nobody uses them around here. I mean, what do you use those things for anyway?
#21 Nov 09 2010 at 5:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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What I encountered in Denmark was kind of frustrating - things would have price tags of something like "79.95kr" (that was for my hairbrush), but the smallest coin is 50 øre (0.5kr) at the moment, so you effectively pay more for almost everything if you use cash.
This is what it feels like to buy gas in America.

...unless they come out with a .9 cent coin.
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Demea wrote:
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The country was actually loosing money on each penny into the hundreds of millions.

Again, this is not how fiat currency works. Smiley: mad


We had one similar to this.
#23 Nov 09 2010 at 5:33 PM Rating: Good
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Kalivha wrote:
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What I encountered in Denmark was kind of frustrating - things would have price tags of something like "79.95kr" (that was for my hairbrush), but the smallest coin is 50 øre (0.5kr) at the moment, so you effectively pay more for almost everything if you use cash.
This is what it feels like to buy gas in America.

...unless they come out with a .9 cent coin.


I think that's actually similar in most developed countries (at least the ones I've been to recently). I even saw prices like 1.384 in Germany a couple of times when I was there in the summer.

The thing with Denmark is that it seems to be everywhere, and the people working the tills say "80 kroner please" even if it the price tag reads 79.95. Phone charges seemed to be something silly like 8 øre per minute or whatever, too.

Electronic money makes it possible to introduce decimal places that aren't represented in coins anyway, so ultimately it doesn't matter considering how much is paid with debit/credit cards nowadays.
#24 Nov 09 2010 at 6:06 PM Rating: Good
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I'm for getting rid of it. I had heard that it costs more to make a penny than the penny is even worth, so why are we still making them?


Right, well this has effectively been true since the mid-1990's (it was cheaper to make a penny, but once the cost to transport it was included, it cost more).

Now it is also true for the nickel, but eliminating both would be problematic since you could return 25 cents in change (via a quarter) or 20 cents or 10, but not 15.

Largely, they want to keep the low denomination coins since (a) people are sentimental and (b) people feel they will be cheated by rounding leading to (c) polls which people favor keeping the penny even though there are equal polls where people prefer rounding in specific transactions.


#25 Nov 09 2010 at 6:09 PM Rating: Good
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The Euro officially has both 1 and 2 cent coins but nobody uses them around here. I mean, what do you use those things for anyway?


I'm not sure were you are from (I'm vaguely recalling the Netherlands?) but I thought the one and two cent euro coins were not imported to some eurozone nations, but they actually had to accept them as legal currency (e.g. if you hand them to the shop clerk as currency, they had to take them, but all prices were rounded anyhow).

#26 Nov 09 2010 at 6:23 PM Rating: Good
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
The Euro officially has both 1 and 2 cent coins but nobody uses them around here. I mean, what do you use those things for anyway?
Confusing the hell out of people.
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