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Short version: Keith Olbermann has been suspended indefinitely.
Not for badmouthing conservatives.
...For making a political contribution?!
Eh, whatever. The man is an sloppy, yet incredibly sandy, cunt.
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Eh. He deserved to be fired because he broke the rules of his contract. It's a shame, though. I didn't always agree with him, but he had his moments, and he was damned entertaining, which is all you can ask of cable news.
The outrage is because Joe Scarborough, a conservative pundit on the same network, was giving a pass for making political donations to Republicans in 2006 because MSNBC opinionators don't have to follow the same rules as the NBC reporters.
Is not Olbermann a pundit? You cannot expect me to believe that everyone thought his show was about reporting "just the facts." I mean, we all know reality has a liberal bias, but not that much of one. He reports a story, and then gives his opinion on them - like who is the "worst person in the world" for the day.
So Scarborough of Morning Joe is allowed to donate and it's waved away since his show is considered an opinion show, but Olbermann donates, and suddenly he's the antichrist.
In other words, it's okay if you're a Republican.
Is not Olbermann a pundit? You cannot expect me to believe that everyone thought his show was about reporting "just the facts." I mean, we all know reality has a liberal bias, but not that much of one. He reports a story, and then gives his opinion on them - like who is the "worst person in the world" for the day.
So Scarborough of Morning Joe is allowed to donate and it's waved away since his show is considered an opinion show, but Olbermann donates, and suddenly he's the antichrist.
In other words, it's okay if you're a Republican.
catwho wrote:
He reports a story, and then gives his opinion on them - like who is the "worst person in the world" for the day.
Just a minor point: he actually stopped the "worst person in the world" segment after the Rally to Restore Sanity.
If his contract forbade him from making contributions then he should be disciplined however the contract states. If they failed to do so with Scarborough a few years ago then the mistake was in not reprimanding Scarborough, not that they properly reprimanded Olbermann.
If their rules exempt pundits then Olbermann should have really been given a pass in my opinion but maybe both MSNBC and Olbermann operating under the knowledge that it's a "news" show or something. I'm sure Olbermann knows/knew how his show is classified with the Powers That Be.
Edited, Nov 6th 2010 11:45am by Jophiel
If their rules exempt pundits then Olbermann should have really been given a pass in my opinion but maybe both MSNBC and Olbermann operating under the knowledge that it's a "news" show or something. I'm sure Olbermann knows/knew how his show is classified with the Powers That Be.
Edited, Nov 6th 2010 11:45am by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Not knowing the rules of the NBC contracts, it specifically states in Olbermans contract that he cannot make any contributions to political candidates, *unless*, he gets prior approval from his bosses. His bosses claim that he did not take this step. Regardless of catwhos outrage, he broke the rules...plain and simple. I found Olberman to be entertaining as a sportscaster, as a political commentator...not so much.
Edited, Nov 7th 2010 11:58am by Kastigir
Edited, Nov 7th 2010 11:58am by Kastigir
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If Fox News is considered news, then I guess Olbermann could be considered a news reporter.
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Sounds like someone should have filtered their money through 3rd party sources.
Just as Planned.
It was kind of funny to watch him get worked up, but I'm not going to miss the guy.
You won't have to miss him. He's back on Tuesday.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
You won't have to miss him. He's back on Tuesday.
Well, that certainly cements MSNBC as kind of clueless.
MDenham wrote:
Well, that certainly cements MSNBC as kind of clueless.
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"Indefinite" just means "we don't know yet", not "until the mountains crumble into the sea".
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
LeWoVoc wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
You won't have to miss him. He's back on Tuesday.
"Lasting for an unknown length of time"
No kidding?
Well so much for that.
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Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
catwho wrote:
Is not Olbermann a pundit? You cannot expect me to believe that everyone thought his show was about reporting "just the facts." I mean, we all know reality has a liberal bias, but not that much of one. He reports a story, and then gives his opinion on them - like who is the "worst person in the world" for the day.
Yes, of course he's a pundit. The problem is that MSNBC has him titled (apparently) as a "news reporter". Laughable, but there you have it. So all of this time they've been billing his show as "news"? Really!?
I'm sure all those posters who claimed I didn't know the difference between news and opinion will chime in to condemn MSNBC right about now. Or... now. Ok. Maybe we'll have to wait a really long time.
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So Scarborough of Morning Joe is allowed to donate and it's waved away since his show is considered an opinion show, but Olbermann donates, and suddenly he's the antichrist.
In other words, it's okay if you're a Republican.
In other words, it's okay if you're a Republican.
No. What it means is that you can't tell the public you are reporting news and give them opinion instead. As long as you are clear about which you are doing, it's not a problem. You know. It's the whole "lying to the public" thing. I'm frankly curious why MSNBC cares about this. It's not like anyone takes them seriously anyway, but whatever.
Edited, Nov 8th 2010 1:34pm by gbaji
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
I'm sure all those posters who claimed I didn't know the difference between news and opinion will chime in to condemn MSNBC right about now. Or... now. Ok. Maybe we'll have to wait a really long time.
Wait, for what are we condemning MSNBC? Olbermann went outside his contract, and was punished. Good on MSNBC!
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No. What it means is that you can't tell the public you are reporting news and give them opinion instead.
News analyst Juan Williams is SO pissed at you right now.
Edited, Nov 8th 2010 4:43pm by LockeColeMA
LockeColeMA wrote:
gbaji wrote:
I'm sure all those posters who claimed I didn't know the difference between news and opinion will chime in to condemn MSNBC right about now. Or... now. Ok. Maybe we'll have to wait a really long time.
Wait, for what are we condemning MSNBC?
For calling Olbermann's show news.
gbaji wrote:
So all of this time they've been billing his show as "news"? Really!?
MSNBC wrote:
Keith Olbermann is host of “Countdown with Keith Olbermann.†“Countdown,†a unique newscast that counts down the day’s top stories with Keith’s particular wit and style, telecasts weeknights, 8-9 p.m. ET on msnbc.
So I suppose it's a "news" show in that it deals with the day's events and not just "Let's ***** about liberalism for an hour with a chalkboard" style punditry but makes it clear that it's not straight news.
Looking at a couple transcripts, each episode begins with:
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All the news and commentary—now on COUNTDOWN.
Seems right enough.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
gbaji wrote:
I'm sure all those posters who claimed I didn't know the difference between news and opinion will chime in to condemn MSNBC right about now. Or... now. Ok. Maybe we'll have to wait a really long time.
Wait, for what are we condemning MSNBC?
For calling Olbermann's show news.
Ohhhh, gotcha. Sure, I find that laughable. Now we can agree FOX News isn't news too, right?
#23gbaji,
Posted: Nov 08 2010 at 3:59 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Precisely. It's pretty darn obvious to all of us that what Olbermann does isn't "news". It's "opinion". Yet it's exactly because MSNBC bills his show as "news" that his contract doesn't allow him to donate politically (without approval apparently). It's not a great leap to see that the larger problem here isn't Olbmermann getting involved in politics, but with MSNBC essentially lying to the public by claiming that what he does is news.
You get a bee in your bonnet about your boogeyman not being fired? Whatever MSNBC has Olbermann classified as internally, they make clear what the context of his show is: News & Commentary (with Olbermann's unique wit and style!).
Edited, Nov 8th 2010 4:03pm by Jophiel
Edited, Nov 8th 2010 4:03pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
So basically, he's the same as Sean Hannity:
http://www.foxnews.com/bios/talent/sean-hannity/
Apparently, Fox has much more lax views on what their "news" people can do.
Edited, Nov 8th 2010 5:12pm by Technogeek
edit to fix a pesky bold text
Edited, Nov 8th 2010 5:12pm by Technogeek
http://www.foxnews.com/bios/talent/sean-hannity/
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Sean Hannity joined the Fox News Channel (FNC) in September 1996. He currently hosts his self titled program, "Hannity" (Monday-Friday, 9-10 p.m. ET). He is one of the most prominent and influential conservative voices in the country and his program offers a mix of news, commentary, interviews and branded segments such as the Great American Panel
Apparently, Fox has much more lax views on what their "news" people can do.
Edited, Nov 8th 2010 5:12pm by Technogeek
edit to fix a pesky bold text
Edited, Nov 8th 2010 5:12pm by Technogeek
LockeColeMA wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
gbaji wrote:
I'm sure all those posters who claimed I didn't know the difference between news and opinion will chime in to condemn MSNBC right about now. Or... now. Ok. Maybe we'll have to wait a really long time.
Wait, for what are we condemning MSNBC?
For calling Olbermann's show news.
Ohhhh, gotcha. Sure, I find that laughable. Now we can agree FOX News isn't news too, right?
As I said in the last thread we had about this. Some of their shows are news and some are opinion. Odds are, you can't name any of the people who are actual "news reporters" on Fox News because the people you hear about are commentators/analysts (Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, etc).
My biggest surprise here was that MSNBC actually considered Olbermann's show a "news show".
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
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