....it's all the rage round here atm.
One Mom's Blog
I have a friend, she's a mom, and a SO, and a lesbian. She's one of my favorite people. She's also a vocal advocate of equal rights.
Anyways, she linked me this blog and we were talking about it. She said upon reading this she felt guilty in her relief that her little boy (he's nearly six) so clearly wanted to portray more traditional 'male' characters at Halloween. He's been a fireman, a construction worker, an astronaut, etc.
For you new parents, or old parents or non-parents:
- I doubt any good parent would make such claims as to disown a child who finds they are gay, but would you try and discourage 'gay' behavior if you spotted it early on?
- What is more important as a parent: allowing and encouraging your child to be themselves, follow their dreams etc etc, or to protect them from vocal if not physical bullying and/or violence that is likely to occur if they do appear outwardly gay?
Are there any parents of gay children posting here?
Edited, Nov 5th 2010 8:36pm by Elinda
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Alma wrote:
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Well, as the article pointed out, no one would blink twice at a girl dressing up as spiderman or batman, so given that it's silly to care when it's the other way.
You should point out that men used to play all the female parts as well as the male parts in plays.
I think that people should consider the environment they're in though. If you're in a community where you know people are going to frown on it, why invite trouble? If the culture really frowns on guys cross dressing, then it behooves you to consider that, especially with a kid who can't understand the consequences of his choice and then make it anyway.
Edited, Nov 5th 2010 2:00pm by Xsarus
You should point out that men used to play all the female parts as well as the male parts in plays.
I think that people should consider the environment they're in though. If you're in a community where you know people are going to frown on it, why invite trouble? If the culture really frowns on guys cross dressing, then it behooves you to consider that, especially with a kid who can't understand the consequences of his choice and then make it anyway.
Edited, Nov 5th 2010 2:00pm by Xsarus
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My cousin's son is five years old (?) and likes to play dress up in princess outfits or play with dolls and that sort of thing. My cousin and my wife think it's just a gas while I can tell that her husband isn't exactly thrilled with it. To his credit, he hasn't tried to stop it but I'm sure he's heard enough comments about it to last a lifetime. I can empathize because I'm guessing I'd feel much the same way.
Now that the kid is in school, I think he saves his "dress up" time for home and I believe some doctor or another told them that usually societal conditioning and peer interaction gets kids out of the habit and into stricter gender roles even without any intervention from the parents.
To state the obvious though: A four year old wanting to dress as Snow White doesn't mean that they're homosexual.
Now that the kid is in school, I think he saves his "dress up" time for home and I believe some doctor or another told them that usually societal conditioning and peer interaction gets kids out of the habit and into stricter gender roles even without any intervention from the parents.
To state the obvious though: A four year old wanting to dress as Snow White doesn't mean that they're homosexual.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I would discourage homosexual tendencies early on simply because of the barrier society erects for people who display them. When they're old enough to handle it, that's fine; I really don't care either way.
Since ***-ness is a choice I'd most likely tell my sons the same thing I do with all the rest of the life changers: you can make it when you move out.
Then my wife would over-rule me and it would be a moot point.
Then my wife would over-rule me and it would be a moot point.
Elinda wrote:
... relief that her little boy (he's nearly six) so clearly wanted to portray more traditional 'male' characters at Halloween. He's been a fireman, a construction worker, an astronaut, etc...
... a cop, a cowboy,a biker, a soldier. Yup, nothing to worry about.
Edited, Nov 5th 2010 4:41pm by Deathwysh
MoebiusLord wrote:
Since ***-ness is a choice I'd most likely tell my sons the same thing I do with all the rest of the life changers: you can make it when you move out.
Then my wife would over-rule me and it would be a moot point.
Then my wife would over-rule me and it would be a moot point.
LeWoVoc wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Since ***-ness is a choice I'd most likely tell my sons the same thing I do with all the rest of the life changers: you can make it when you move out.
Then my wife would over-rule me and it would be a moot point.
Then my wife would over-rule me and it would be a moot point.
***-ness is just straight people crying out for help
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LeWoVoc wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Since ***-ness is a choice I'd most likely tell my sons the same thing I do with all the rest of the life changers: you can make it when you move out.
Then my wife would over-rule me and it would be a moot point.
Then my wife would over-rule me and it would be a moot point.
You haven't earned a response yet.
Sir Xsarus wrote:
LeWoVoc wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Since ***-ness is a choice I'd most likely tell my sons the same thing I do with all the rest of the life changers: you can make it when you move out.
Then my wife would over-rule me and it would be a moot point.
Then my wife would over-rule me and it would be a moot point.
***-ness is just straight people crying out for help
No, ***-ness is just not knowing what it's ok to call the knee-pad and **** beads set these days. A cry for help would have been "Choosing a glorious life of stuffing asses and stroking c'ock is ok by me as soon as he moves out."
MoebiusLord wrote:
LeWoVoc wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Since ***-ness is a choice I'd most likely tell my sons the same thing I do with all the rest of the life changers: you can make it when you move out.
Then my wife would over-rule me and it would be a moot point.
Then my wife would over-rule me and it would be a moot point.
You haven't earned a response yet.
LeWoVoc wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
LeWoVoc wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Since ***-ness is a choice I'd most likely tell my sons the same thing I do with all the rest of the life changers: you can make it when you move out.
Then my wife would over-rule me and it would be a moot point.
Then my wife would over-rule me and it would be a moot point.
You haven't earned a response yet.
Joking? About what, not giving a flying f'uck about you, your ability to sustain a heartbeat or your opinions on the pearls of wisdom that drip forth from keyboard as numerous as snowflakes in a blizzard? Or about my diverse and tolerant opinions on ***-ness?
MoebiusLord wrote:
LeWoVoc wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
LeWoVoc wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Since ***-ness is a choice I'd most likely tell my sons the same thing I do with all the rest of the life changers: you can make it when you move out.
Then my wife would over-rule me and it would be a moot point.
Then my wife would over-rule me and it would be a moot point.
You haven't earned a response yet.
Joking? About what, not giving a flying f'uck about you, your ability to sustain a heartbeat or your opinions on the pearls of wisdom that drip forth from keyboard as numerous as snowflakes in a blizzard? Or about my diverse and tolerant opinions on ***-ness?
Yes.
BrownDuck wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
LeWoVoc wrote:
Are you joking, or are you really this stupid?
Joking? About what, not giving a flying f'uck about you, your ability to sustain a heartbeat or your opinions on the pearls of wisdom that drip forth from keyboard as numerous as snowflakes in a blizzard? Or about my diverse and tolerant opinions on ***-ness?
Yes.
Maybe. It depends.
My son has started browsing through the pink Barbie pages in the Toys R' Us fliers. I sigh, shake my head, and continue to love him just as much as ever.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Both my boys went through that phase. I think all kids do. Kids don't care about gender. Now the oldest one is 20 and not gay and my youngest one most likely isn't gay, since he sits around with his father picking out hot women. /sigh
Just like it's ok for little girls to play with cars and dig in the mud, it's ok for little boys to put on mom's makeup and play with dolls.
Just like it's ok for little girls to play with cars and dig in the mud, it's ok for little boys to put on mom's makeup and play with dolls.
MoebiusLord wrote:
Since ***-ness is a choice I'd most likely tell my sons the same thing I do with all the rest of the life changers: you can make it when you move out.
Then my wife would over-rule me and it would be a moot point.
Then my wife would over-rule me and it would be a moot point.
You and Ray been comparing notes?
Nadenu wrote:
Both my boys went through that phase. I think all kids do. Kids don't care about gender. Now the oldest one is 20 and not gay and my youngest one most likely isn't gay, since he sits around with his father picking out hot women. /sigh
Just like it's ok for little girls to play with cars and dig in the mud, it's ok for little boys to put on mom's makeup and play with dolls.
Just like it's ok for little girls to play with cars and dig in the mud, it's ok for little boys to put on mom's makeup and play with dolls.
I was putting on sex shows with my sisters' Barbie dolls when I was, oh, maybe eight.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
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Elinda wrote:
....it's all the rage round here atm.
One Mom's Blog
I have a friend, she's a mom, and a SO, and a lesbian. She's one of my favorite people. She's also a vocal advocate of equal rights.
Anyways, she linked me this blog and we were talking about it. She said upon reading this she felt guilty in her relief that her little boy (he's nearly six) so clearly wanted to portray more traditional 'male' characters at Halloween. He's been a fireman, a construction worker, an astronaut, etc.
For you new parents, or old parents or non-parents:
- I doubt any good parent would make such claims as to disown a child who finds they are gay, but would you try and discourage 'gay' behavior if you spotted it early on?
One Mom's Blog
I have a friend, she's a mom, and a SO, and a lesbian. She's one of my favorite people. She's also a vocal advocate of equal rights.
Anyways, she linked me this blog and we were talking about it. She said upon reading this she felt guilty in her relief that her little boy (he's nearly six) so clearly wanted to portray more traditional 'male' characters at Halloween. He's been a fireman, a construction worker, an astronaut, etc.
For you new parents, or old parents or non-parents:
- I doubt any good parent would make such claims as to disown a child who finds they are gay, but would you try and discourage 'gay' behavior if you spotted it early on?
No.
Quote:
- What is more important as a parent: allowing and encouraging your child to be themselves, follow their dreams etc etc, or to protect them from vocal if not physical bullying and/or violence that is likely to occur if they do appear outwardly gay?
Encourage your kids to follow their dreams, always, but prepare them for the fact that bigoted and narrow-minded individuals may harrass/bully them but they should never let the assholes of the world discourage them.
I say kudos to this woman and her son for showing courage and backbone in the face of bigotry and narrow-mindedness from people who should have known better.
Edited, Nov 7th 2010 12:32pm by ShadorVIII
Elinda wrote:
- What is more important as a parent: allowing and encouraging your child to be themselves, follow their dreams etc etc, or to protect them from vocal if not physical bullying and/or violence that is likely to occur if they do appear outwardly gay?
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Elinda wrote:
- What is more important as a parent: allowing and encouraging your child to be themselves, follow their dreams etc etc, or to protect them from vocal if not physical bullying and/or violence that is likely to occur if they do appear outwardly gay?
Good Answer.
I've always figured a kid needs to know how to make another kid bleed profusely without causing permanent damage. Teach your damn children how to connect with a quick jab to the nose, mouth or eye. Snap that jab right and the opponent will likely not f'uck with little gay Johnny ever again.
*snap, snap, snap!*
Work it, sista!
Work it, sista!
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Elinda wrote:
- What is more important as a parent: allowing and encouraging your child to be themselves, follow their dreams etc etc, or to protect them from vocal if not physical bullying and/or violence that is likely to occur if they do appear outwardly gay?
You don't need to be the fastest to outrun the bullies; you just need to be able to outrun the boy in the tutu...
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