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#302 Nov 03 2010 at 6:24 AM Rating: Good
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Have you read any of the articles yet? Do so, then we can talk about what they contain. I'll be waiting.


I have and have not found anything out of the ordinary. So please tell me exactly what is supporting a governmental conspiracy.
Civilians killed at checkpoint, detainees abused. No worries. Nothing worth mentioning.

They were menacing looking civilians with pointy sticks and rocks.
#303 Nov 03 2010 at 6:26 AM Rating: Good
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Have you read any of the articles yet? Do so, then we can talk about what they contain. I'll be waiting.


I have and have not found anything out of the ordinary. So please tell me exactly what is supporting a governmental conspiracy.
Civilians killed at checkpoint, detainees abused. No worries. Nothing worth mentioning.

They were menacing looking civilians with pointy sticks and rocks.
I guess I would understand if I were to be in the military, which I'm clearly not. If only we had someone who was who could set me straight...
#304 Nov 03 2010 at 6:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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I mean that is the UK's most commonly used name for newborns now.

It's Oliver actually.

And they're all Bob fearing Christians like Tim McVeigh, Rev Jim Jones and Tomás de Torquemada.

There is a point in any public conversation at which the insult is no longer levied that the target may feel its sting, but that the audience may be impressed by the utter obscurity of the writer's references. Well done, sir.
#305 Nov 03 2010 at 9:03 AM Rating: Good
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Ok, so tell me then... you claimed that you make 4x as much as me, so I'm curious on how rich you are. I know games aren't restricted for the "rich", but I never expected someone as rich as you claim to be spending so much time on Alla, unless much of it is inherited


First, it's entirely possible that he doesn't want to broadcast what he makes. Not everyone is interested in the "gotcha!" game.

Second, even if he did care to broadcast it, you'd never know if he was telling the truth, so why bother asking? You don't believe that he "probably makes 4x as much as you," so you probably won't believe any number the throws up there to try and convince you.

Third, not to speak for Nobby or anything, but he probably doesn't give a **** whether or not you believe him.
#306 Nov 03 2010 at 9:20 AM Rating: Good
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Spibbly darrumbah quaffah!

See? - I can make as much sense as Alma! Go Me!


You only wish you were as awesome as I am. I realize what I say is above and beyond your low level of comprehension. It's ok, it'll come to you one day. maybe
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What you got?
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#307 Nov 03 2010 at 9:20 AM Rating: Good
The kid's a junior officer in the army. His base is somewhere between 35 & 50 a year. That's, oddly enough, right in line with what a new graduate was making in the IT world a decade ago.
#308 Nov 03 2010 at 10:43 AM Rating: Default
Elinda,

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What you got?


A really big d*ck.
#309 Nov 03 2010 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda,

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A really big d*ck.
3 inches?
#310 Nov 03 2010 at 11:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda,

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A really big d*ck.
3 inches?


He didn't say it was his. I just figured his MSM add finally got someone.
#311 Nov 03 2010 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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Ooh, right. I didn't think of that.
#312 Nov 03 2010 at 2:10 PM Rating: Good
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Elinda,

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A really big d*ck.
Smiley: lol
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#313 Nov 03 2010 at 2:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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There is a point in any public conversation at which the insult is no longer levied that the target may feel its sting, but that the audience may be impressed by the utter obscurity of the writer's references. Well done, sir.

The Dennis Miller Effect?
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#314 Nov 03 2010 at 2:20 PM Rating: Good
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There is a point in any public conversation at which the insult is no longer levied that the target may feel its sting, but that the audience may be impressed by the utter obscurity of the writer's references. Well done, sir.

The Dennis Miller Effect?

Precisely who I was thinking of as I wrote that.
#315 Nov 03 2010 at 2:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Or you can animate it and call it Family Guy.

"Wow, this Wikileaks thing is worse than that one time Peter Tork and Tomás de Torquemada both tried to date that robot from Small Wonder..."
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#316 Nov 03 2010 at 2:55 PM Rating: Default
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LeWoVoc wrote:
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At the very least, keeping the public numb about what really goes on is going to make the problem worse. Alma, buddy, surely you can see... if your best friend is killed in combat because of something illegal on the part of your army, would you want justice, or for his corpse to be swept under the rug?


Of course I would want justice, I said that in this thread in reference to the Reuters. I don't blame them for wanting to see the video because any person of concern would want to do the same thing. Where you fail is your false accusation that illegal activities are taking place and that there is a massive cover up, yet you haven't provided any proof. Because of that, you can't ridicule or question someone who doesn't believe you.

Did you or did you not ever see a death toll ticker on the news and hear about mission outcomes or do you want a 24/7 live feed of the war?
Have you read any of the articles yet? Do so, then we can talk about what they contain. I'll be waiting.


I have and have not found anything out of the ordinary. So please tell me exactly what is supporting a governmental conspiracy.
Civilians killed at checkpoint, detainees abused. No worries. Nothing worth mentioning.


Civilians killed in war? Okaaaaaay.. and?... what was the situation?

Detainess abused? what was the situation? People claimed firing a pistol off near someone's head who was part of previous attacks and had answers was "abuse". What exactly was this abuse?

How is not publicizing these acts equal to a massive government conspiracy? People care about US causalities and success missions the most, not that a civilian was killed at a check point. The only people who care to hear about that stuff are people who are against the war.

What do you want, a 24/7 live coverage of the war? How do you know none of this weren't properly handled if they were indeed wrong? Are you just making the assumption that just because you didn't hear about it, then it was swept under the rug?



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First, it's entirely possible that he doesn't want to broadcast what he makes. Not everyone is interested in the "gotcha!" game.

Second, even if he did care to broadcast it, you'd never know if he was telling the truth, so why bother asking? You don't believe that he "probably makes 4x as much as you," so you probably won't believe any number the throws up there to try and convince you.

Third, not to speak for Nobby or anything, but he probably doesn't give a sh*t whether or not you believe him.


First, if he didn't want to discuss how much money he makes, then he shouldn't have brought up on how much money he makes.

Second, Of course I have doubt on his claim, but I want to see how far he'll go with this. I was merely flipping the script. It is obvious that he thought I was lying on my part and wanted me to try to 1-up him by saying "I make more than 100k". Everybody knows that a junior officer doesn't make 100k in any currency other than maybe the Peso. When I didn't fall for his trick, he didn't have anything else to say.

Third, I don't think belief was never an issue. He obviously tried to lure me in to say that I made a bajillion dollars/pounds/euros whatever a year..
#317 Nov 03 2010 at 3:53 PM Rating: Good
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Civilians killed in war? Okaaaaaay.. and?... what was the situation?

Detainess abused? what was the situation? People claimed firing a pistol off near someone's head who was part of previous attacks and had answers was "abuse". What exactly was this abuse?
Read the material, you moron. I swear, I've never seen someone argue so long without actually reading what he's arguing about...
#318 Nov 03 2010 at 4:05 PM Rating: Default
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Civilians killed in war? Okaaaaaay.. and?... what was the situation?

Detainess abused? what was the situation? People claimed firing a pistol off near someone's head who was part of previous attacks and had answers was "abuse". What exactly was this abuse?
Read the material, you moron. I swear, I've never seen someone argue so long without actually reading what he's arguing about...


I apologize for living in reality?

If you're the one proclaiming a massive cover up, then the burden is on you to provide evidence. Else, just shut up because no one is going to believe you.

Hey, the mid-term elections were staged, all votes were thrown away and the DoD personally elected people. IT's all part of a major cover up! You don't believe, look at all the reports! We can talk after you look it up!

It is evident that you all have nothing, else you would come with a specific scenario. If you had a specific scenario, you wouldn't hold it back and say "find it".

Well, thanks for proving my point that you all have nothing. We can finally conclude this nonsense.
#319 Nov 03 2010 at 4:19 PM Rating: Good
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Civilians killed in war? Okaaaaaay.. and?... what was the situation?

Detainess abused? what was the situation? People claimed firing a pistol off near someone's head who was part of previous attacks and had answers was "abuse". What exactly was this abuse?
Read the material, you moron. I swear, I've never seen someone argue so long without actually reading what he's arguing about...


I apologize for living in reality?

If you're the one proclaiming a massive cover up, then the burden is on you to provide evidence. Else, just shut up because no one is going to believe you.

Hey, the mid-term elections were staged, all votes were thrown away and the DoD personally elected people. IT's all part of a major cover up! You don't believe, look at all the reports! We can talk after you look it up!

It is evident that you all have nothing, else you would come with a specific scenario. If you had a specific scenario, you wouldn't hold it back and say "find it".

Well, thanks for proving my point that you all have nothing. We can finally conclude this nonsense.
I gave you a specific scenario of what was being covered up. Civilians killed at a checkpoint, detainees abused. You haven't read the material, so you don't know what I'm talking about. I never claimed there was some massive conspiracy behind it all, I simply said shady and perhaps illegal things were being covered up. Killing civilians at a checkpoint and abusing detainees are included under "shady" and "perhaps illegal." It's not a matter of me sitting back and saying "find it yourself," it's a matter of you not reading the material you're trying to argue.

To use your midterm election metaphor, it would be as though you didn't look at the results of the election and claimed that the Dems took every seat of the house and senate. If this is what you call living in reality, I feel extraordinarily bad for you.
#320 Nov 03 2010 at 4:59 PM Rating: Default
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LeWoVoc wrote:
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Civilians killed in war? Okaaaaaay.. and?... what was the situation?

Detainess abused? what was the situation? People claimed firing a pistol off near someone's head who was part of previous attacks and had answers was "abuse". What exactly was this abuse?
Read the material, you moron. I swear, I've never seen someone argue so long without actually reading what he's arguing about...


I apologize for living in reality?

If you're the one proclaiming a massive cover up, then the burden is on you to provide evidence. Else, just shut up because no one is going to believe you.

Hey, the mid-term elections were staged, all votes were thrown away and the DoD personally elected people. IT's all part of a major cover up! You don't believe, look at all the reports! We can talk after you look it up!

It is evident that you all have nothing, else you would come with a specific scenario. If you had a specific scenario, you wouldn't hold it back and say "find it".

Well, thanks for proving my point that you all have nothing. We can finally conclude this nonsense.
I gave you a specific scenario of what was being covered up. Civilians killed at a checkpoint, detainees abused. You haven't read the material, so you don't know what I'm talking about. I never claimed there was some massive conspiracy behind it all, I simply said shady and perhaps illegal things were being covered up. Killing civilians at a checkpoint and abusing detainees are included under "shady" and "perhaps illegal." It's not a matter of me sitting back and saying "find it yourself," it's a matter of you not reading the material you're trying to argue.

To use your midterm election metaphor, it would be as though you didn't look at the results of the election and claimed that the Dems took every seat of the house and senate. If this is what you call living in reality, I feel extraordinarily bad for you.


That's not very specific at all. If you read the details, then you should know them. I asked very specific questions where if you believed something was "shady" or "perhaps illegal", then you would know the answer to them. I didn't ask you the color of clothes that they were wearing or what the weather was like. I asked very basic questions which answers would be the substance of your claim like "What type of abuse?"

If you can't answer what type abuse it was, then you have no idea what happened, meaning you have no right to make any claim that people were abused.

Your metaphor fails because I'm not the one proclaiming anything, that's you. You're doing exactly what your metaphor said. You're claiming that the Dems took every seat of the house and senate without even looking at the results or providing any evidence. When I say "prove it", you reply with "it's all there, look it up!". I already know that you don't know what you're talking about, why would I waste time trying to prove otherwise. Since you claim that you have evidence, it would be exponentially easier for you just to provide the evidence.
#321 Nov 03 2010 at 5:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dear Mr Almalieque

You are a lowly payed drone on a mediocre package, yet you brag about the luxury of your circumstance.

I raised the issues of income in response to yours. You are dirt under my fingernails. I could buy you 5 times over.
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#322 Nov 03 2010 at 6:02 PM Rating: Default
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The kid's a junior officer in the army. His base is somewhere between 35 & 50 a year. That's, oddly enough, right in line with what a new graduate was making in the IT world a decade ago.


I also do believe that I said the money matters less as you receive more benefits...When your base is 35-50k, it isn't a lot... but when none of that has to go to any bills and you receive most of your stuff free, it counts much more than a 70k year job where you have to actually pay for stuff like health care, house rent, utilities and food. That's not including the various discounts that you get from every where.

Once again, I'm not IT, that's just a bullet under my job description. There are positions who specifically work in the IT world. Is the money the same? Of course not. That's why people join the Army, get the training, experience and certs and get out making 5-6 times more money than they did while active duty.

I had a warrant do a one day class on a group of contractors that had a multi-million dollar contract doing something that he did every day. It was one of those "why am I here?" moments. The smarter people stay in, get their 20 years, retire then go over into the IT world and make the big bucks. With your IT pay and your retirement pay, you really will be living large.


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You are a lowly payed drone on a mediocre package, yet you brag about the luxury of your circumstance.

I raised the issues of income in response to yours. You are dirt under my fingernails. I could buy you 5 times over.


I was stating facts, not bragging at all. You all said it was a poor career choice, I'm still waiting on why it is...

I don't recall saying how much money I made or that I made a lot of money. I know I said a lot in the past few days and don't remember a lot of it, so quote the exact (or paraphrase) the statement that you are referring to.

#323 Nov 03 2010 at 7:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Almalieque wrote:
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Dear Mr Almalieque

You are a lowly payed drone on a mediocre package, yet you brag about the luxury of your circumstance.

I raised the issues of income in response to yours. You are dirt under my fingernails. I could buy you 5 times over.


I was stating facts, not bragging at all. You all said it was a poor career choice, I'm still waiting on why it is...

I don't recall saying how much money I made or that I made a lot of money. I know I said a lot in the past few days and don't remember a lot of it, so quote the exact (or paraphrase) the statement that you are referring to.

Probably basing on your rank and position. I don't know if you've explicitly stated such, but you love dropping hints.
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#324 Nov 03 2010 at 8:07 PM Rating: Good
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If you can't answer what type abuse it was, then you have no idea what happened, meaning you have no right to make any claim that people were abused.

Your metaphor fails because I'm not the one proclaiming anything, that's you. You're doing exactly what your metaphor said. You're claiming that the Dems took every seat of the house and senate without even looking at the results or providing any evidence. When I say "prove it", you reply with "it's all there, look it up!". I already know that you don't know what you're talking about, why would I waste time trying to prove otherwise. Since you claim that you have evidence, it would be exponentially easier for you just to provide the evidence.
You are arguing material which you have not read. This is a problem.
The article you absolutely refuse to read for whatever fUcking reason wrote:
SUMMARY: HCT 702 received a video from one of their sources. The video contains footage of Iraqi Army soldiers executing a detainee. The footage shows approximately 12 IA soldiers involved. Ten IA soldiers were talking to one another while two other soldiers held the detainee. The detainee had his hands bound. An officer the source identified as Maj. Ali Jadallah Husayn Al-Shamari, an intelligence officer for the 4-9/3 IA, was in the video. The footage shows the IA soldiers moving the detainee into the street, pushing him to the ground, punching him, and shooting him. The detainee has not been identified. There is no further information at this time. This corresponds to MNC-I PIR #5 and MNC-I PIR #6. This is an initial report; more information will be rendered when it becomes available.
As I've said a thousand times, shady or possibly illegal activity was revealed in these documents. I'll let you read the rest. It's good for you. Think for yourself instead of letting the military think for you.
#325 Nov 04 2010 at 5:37 AM Rating: Default
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You are arguing material which you have not read. This is a problem.


False, I'm asking you to prove your claim. That's a big difference. You don't take someone to court, give the judge a pile of documents and say there some evidence inside, look it up yourself. If you do that, your case will be dismissed. You highlight and point out exactly what you're referencing. Dude, this is life.

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As I've said a thousand times, shady or possibly illegal activity was revealed in these documents. I'll let you read the rest. It's good for you. Think for yourself instead of letting the military think for you.


How is asking you to prove a claim "letting the military think" for me? That's quite ironic as you allowed these people to think for you. Your passage is in reference to the Iraqi people, not the US. Did you not know that there are Iraqis committing crimes in Iraq before these leaks? How is this a "war crime" from the US? There was no US or coalition involvement. That is their country, if they want to torture and kill their detainees, that's not our territory.

At this point, you're just grasping at straws hoping to find something. Once again, I don't deny that war crimes exist, but you haven't provided anything that specifically shown the US military committing war crimes. Even if you did find a documented war crime, your next step would be to prove that no corrective action was taken. Just because you didn't hear about it, doesn't mean anything wasn't done.

Think for a second, why would someone "cover up" war crimes, document it and then place it in the same database where multiple people have access to? Again, why would someone commit a crime and send up a report on it? What you are implying is absurd. I'm sure that majority of the war-crimes with no corrective actions are not documented.

Think for yourself... stop letting the media tool your emotions...
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That is their country, if they want to torture and kill their detainees, that's not our territory.
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