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#52 Oct 27 2010 at 9:14 PM Rating: Decent
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It's why I always get a laugh when I present an argument on this forum and instead of debating my argument, I get a chorus of "but that's not really why conservatives want X...", followed by a pretty obvious strawman that I'm supposed to defend instead. Yeah. Funny as hell!

Try getting out a bit more and exposing yourself to actual opinions other than liberal ones. You might find that things aren't as cut and dried as they are presented for you.

Well, I do, but the conservative opinions usually involve large amounts of rancor and invective.
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#53 Oct 27 2010 at 9:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's why I always get a laugh when I present an argument on this forum...

I get a laugh out of the fact that, even when there's a valid reason for holding a counterpoint, you invariably pick the most rock-stupid ideological knee-jerk response possible and are just amazed that people don't agree with you.
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#54 Oct 27 2010 at 9:34 PM Rating: Default
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gbaji wrote:
It's why I always get a laugh when I present an argument on this forum and instead of debating my argument, I get a chorus of "but that's not really why conservatives want X...", followed by a pretty obvious strawman that I'm supposed to defend instead. Yeah. Funny as hell!

Try getting out a bit more and exposing yourself to actual opinions other than liberal ones. You might find that things aren't as cut and dried as they are presented for you.

Well, I do, but the conservative opinions usually involve large amounts of rancor and invective.


And all those people on your TV and radio telling you about how violent and racist those evil conservatives are can't be wrong!
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#55 Oct 27 2010 at 9:36 PM Rating: Default
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gbaji wrote:
It's why I always get a laugh when I present an argument on this forum...

I get a laugh out of the fact that, even when there's a valid reason for holding a counterpoint, you invariably pick the most rock-stupid ideological knee-jerk response possible and are just amazed that people don't agree with you.


And I get a laugh out of the fact that the "valid reason" for holding a conservative position that you insist I'm supposed to adopt seems to always entail being a bigot, or racist, or sexist, or homophobe, or a greedy person who wants to steal from the poor. Can you say "strawman"?
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#56 Oct 27 2010 at 9:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
And I get a laugh out of the fact that the "valid reason" for holding a conservative position that you insist I'm supposed to adopt seems to always entail being a bigot, or racist, or sexist, or homophobe, or a greedy person who wants to steal from the poor.

Erm, being a bigot, homophobe, etc isn't a valid reason to hold an opinion in my view so, no, as much as you want to pretend that no one can understand your "logic" and yours are the best reasons, that's not correct. But it's not surprising to see you miss a point.
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#57 Oct 28 2010 at 12:07 AM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
Debalic wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Try getting out a bit more and exposing yourself to actual opinions other than liberal ones. You might find that things aren't as cut and dried as they are presented for you.

Well, I do, but the conservative opinions usually involve large amounts of rancor and invective.

And all those people on your TV and radio telling you about how violent and racist those evil conservatives are can't be wrong!

It's the violently racist conservatives on the TV and radio that the rancor and invective is coming from. There are some places upstate where the only talk radio I can find is Glenn, Rush et. al. on Fox affiliates.

But, I know, you don't listen to them so they don't really speak for what the conservative movement is *really* about.
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#58 Oct 28 2010 at 7:55 AM Rating: Good
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It's the violently racist conservatives on the TV and radio that the rancor and invective is coming from. There are some places upstate where the only talk radio I can find is Glenn, Rush et. al. on Fox affiliates.

Yeah, I mean they totally have the market cornered. It's not like you'd ever hear a network television personality call a congressional candidate a *****, repeatedly, during a hugely popular morning talk show on national TV. And liberal political campaigns are so much more restrained. You'd never hear them referring to their opponents as whores. That sort of invective and rancor is all pubbie.
#59 Oct 28 2010 at 8:50 AM Rating: Decent
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It's the violently racist conservatives on the TV and radio that the rancor and invective is coming from. There are some places upstate where the only talk radio I can find is Glenn, Rush et. al. on Fox affiliates.

Yeah, I mean they totally have the market cornered. It's not like you'd ever hear a network television personality call a congressional candidate a *****, repeatedly, during a hugely popular morning talk show on national TV. And liberal political campaigns are so much more restrained. You'd never hear them referring to their opponents as whores. That sort of invective and rancor is all pubbie.

The liberal media would never allow that to happen. You're falling prey to the GOP Machine.
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#61 Oct 28 2010 at 9:12 AM Rating: Good
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Debalic wrote:
It's the violently racist conservatives on the TV and radio that the rancor and invective is coming from. There are some places upstate where the only talk radio I can find is Glenn, Rush et. al. on Fox affiliates.

Yeah, I mean they totally have the market cornered. It's not like you'd ever hear a network television personality call a congressional candidate a *****, repeatedly, during a hugely popular morning talk show on national TV. And liberal political campaigns are so much more restrained. You'd never hear them referring to their opponents as whores. That sort of invective and rancor is all pubbie.

The liberal media would never allow that to happen. You're falling prey to the GOP Machine.

Damn you CGI Joy Behar! Damn you straight to hell!

ABC lies to me, what have I left?
#62 Oct 28 2010 at 10:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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The View has that skinny blonde chick though so it is fair and balanced.
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#63 Oct 28 2010 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
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The View has that skinny blonde chick though so it is fair and balanced.

Especially when O'Reilly visits.
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I assume that's a reference to something but I'll leave it to someone who has actually watched the show before.
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#65 Oct 28 2010 at 11:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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I assume that's a reference to something but I'll leave it to someone who has actually watched the show before.


I'm guessing Moe means the recent show where all the women complained about him not specifying that only extremist Muslims attached the US. He eventually came out and agreed that not all Muslims are trying to kill us, just some extremists.

Once he was back on FOX he took back his apology and said he would continue to say Muslims without specifying extremists or fanatics.
#66 Oct 28 2010 at 11:29 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
I assume that's a reference to something but I'll leave it to someone who has actually watched the show before.


I'm guessing Moe means the recent show where all the women complained about him not specifying that only extremist Muslims attached the US. He eventually came out and agreed that not all Muslims are trying to kill us, just some extremists.

Once he was back on FOX he took back his apology and said he would continue to say Muslims without specifying extremists or fanatics.


Which all led to Juan Williams talking to Bill O'Rielly about Muslims and how he pees his pants when he gets on a plane and sees someone he assumes is a Muslim.
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#68 Oct 28 2010 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
I assume that's a reference to something but I'll leave it to someone who has actually watched the show before.


I'm guessing Moe means the recent show where all the women complained about him not specifying that only extremist Muslims attached the US. He eventually came out and agreed that not all Muslims are trying to kill us, just some extremists.

Which led to Joy & Whoopie walking off the set, leaving 2 pubbies & 2 libs on stage, hence fair and balanced.
#69 Oct 28 2010 at 5:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Debalic wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Debalic wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Try getting out a bit more and exposing yourself to actual opinions other than liberal ones. You might find that things aren't as cut and dried as they are presented for you.

Well, I do, but the conservative opinions usually involve large amounts of rancor and invective.

And all those people on your TV and radio telling you about how violent and racist those evil conservatives are can't be wrong!

It's the violently racist conservatives on the TV and radio that the rancor and invective is coming from. There are some places upstate where the only talk radio I can find is Glenn, Rush et. al. on Fox affiliates.


Beck is a fountain of sanity compared to Keith Olbermann. Seriously. Watched him literally rant for 15 minutes at the end of his show last night. All he did was list off GOP candidates and say something bad about each one and then chastise the audience for not doing enough to prevent them from potentially gaining power. It was surreal to watch. He didn't even attempt to present reasons or arguments or comparisons. Just constant bashing and nothing else.

I can honestly say that I have *never* seen anyone on Fox news (or CNN to be fair) simply express such directly partisan (and intensely negative) views. There's pretty much no comparison. If you want to see nutty off-the-rails-crazy political hacks, just tune to MSNBC for an hour or two.

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But, I know, you don't listen to them so they don't really speak for what the conservative movement is *really* about.


I watch a variety of news sources. I do so specifically to get as broad a set of opinions as possible. I do so because for years I *never* watched or listened to political commentary of any kind, yet posters continually accused me of just parroting what some conservative pundit I'd never heard of had said about the issue at hand. I wanted to find out what they were talking about. I listened to Air American exclusively for about a year on the radio, just to see where the left was coming from. I then switched to watching Fox News for awhile. Then CNN. Then MSNBC. I flip around on the AM dial for various talk as well (although not much since I have a short commute and only listen to the radio in my car).

I don't just listen to one side and parrot their positions. I know it's popular liberal rhetoric to just make this accusation blindly and wildly. I guess it makes you feel better to think that your positions are based on reason and logic and all the conservatives are just mindless zombies or something. But that's simply not the case. I'd argue that from my perspective it appears like liberal posters tend to be the least broadly informed and the most likely to just parrot what they've heard. But that could be my own bias speaking.
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#70 Oct 28 2010 at 5:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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#71 Oct 28 2010 at 5:27 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
I can honestly say that I have *never* seen anyone on Fox news ... simply express such directly partisan (and intensely negative) views.



Given that you've repeatedly sworn up, down and sideways that you really don't watch Fox News that much, I'll take this staement as truth.











Because, y'know, if you did watch Fox News with any regularity you could not possibly miss it.
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#72 Oct 28 2010 at 5:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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haha, I actually found that olberman clip on youtube. all he did was repeat some of the things they've said in their campaign, he didn't make anything up, he just quoted them.

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#73 Oct 28 2010 at 5:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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haha, I actually found that olberman clip on youtube. all he did was repeat some of the things they've said in their campaign, he didn't make anything up, he just quoted them.

Edited, Oct 28th 2010 6:30pm by Xsarus


Clip in question: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cm6eV2vvJM

Olbermann is, and has always been, a more secular, liberal, and verbose version of Glenn Beck. He's just as rabid, but he speaks his mind pretty well.

And that clip? About half the items are quotes, and just about all of them are taken out of context. And about 3/4 of them seem to be exactly what the candidates think, even when taken out of context.
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I find Keith to be a little lighter on the conspiracy theories than Glenn.
#75 Oct 28 2010 at 6:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
I don't just listen to one side and parrot their positions.

No, you listen to both sides, and then parrot the Republican positions.

#76 Oct 28 2010 at 6:44 PM Rating: Default
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Because, y'know, if you did watch Fox News with any regularity you could not possibly miss it.


Really? Can you find a single clip of a commentator on Fox News doing *nothing* but rattling off one liners after one liners attacking Democrat politicians? At least the guys on Fox actually pick one person to talk about and then actually talk about that person, what was said, what was done, some examination of why, how it impacts things, etc. What Olbermann did was just skim the surface of politics making fun of this person, then that person, then the next, etc.

It's one thing to say "I disagree with X and here's why". It's quite another to just lump X, Y, and Z together and spew negative comments about them and then move on with no explanation. The former says that you have a position and are willing to discuss/debate/defend it. The latter just says "I hate X and I don't want to discuss it with anyone who disagrees with me". And no matter how biased you may think Fox is, it's nothing compared to MSNBC. Those people don't even pretend to be having discussions about politics.
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