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#1 Oct 21 2010 at 8:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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By 2014 you should be able to take a site-seeing adventure to the edge of space (65miles above the ground).

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XCOR is just one of several companies planning to get into the space tourism business. Armadillo Aerospace is making a vehicle that Space Adventures will sell tickets for, and Virgin Galactic is making its own suborbital craft modeled after Burt Rutan's SpaceShipOne, the first commercial vehicle to carry spaceflight participants into space.


If you sign on with XCOR you'll travel in this Lynx Suborbital Spacecraft:
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How much would you pay to travel to the edge of space?
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#2 Oct 21 2010 at 8:30 AM Rating: Decent
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In that thing? Nothing. It's like taking a joyride and only going to the end of your own driveway. If it's advertised as space travel, then I fucking want to flyby Jupiter.
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#3 Oct 21 2010 at 8:32 AM Rating: Good
I am not adventurous enough to do this so I wouldn't pay for it. I hate flying and something about doing it even higher in the air does nothing for me.
#4 Oct 21 2010 at 8:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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Do I have to pay for drinks?
#5 Oct 21 2010 at 8:47 AM Rating: Good
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Sweetums wrote:
Do I have to pay for drinks?
I'm guessing the 200k price tag does not include an alcoholic beverage.

I'd go in a heartbeat, but 200k is not even really a sum I could hope to save up at this point. The prices will come down though I'm sure. Maybe for my 60th b-day I will request a ticket to space.

Supposedly, moon excursions will also be available within the decade by the price for that venture is looking to start at around 2mil.

Edited, Oct 21st 2010 4:50pm by Elinda
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#6 Oct 21 2010 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
Elinda wrote:
Supposedly, moon excursions will also be available within the decade by the price for that venture is looking to start at around 2mil.


If NASA can't even get the funding to return to the moon by 2020, I don't see how private contractors will accomplish the feat. I'm not saying it's impossible or even improbable, but I don't see it happening.
#7 Oct 21 2010 at 10:40 AM Rating: Good
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For one thing, I would love to go to space. I don't know how I feel about this whole space tourism, though. We always have to make a mark anywhere there's sand, don't we?
#8 Oct 21 2010 at 11:04 AM Rating: Good
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For one thing, I would love to go to space. I don't know how I feel about this whole space tourism, though. We always have to make a mark anywhere there's sand, don't we?
Tourism would leave less of a mark than mining or some other production industry.
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#9 Oct 21 2010 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
Elinda wrote:
LeWoVoc wrote:
For one thing, I would love to go to space. I don't know how I feel about this whole space tourism, though. We always have to make a mark anywhere there's sand, don't we?
Tourism would leave less of a mark than mining or some other production industry.


Not only that, but it might help keep those sorts of things from happening. If people will pay enough money to see pretty space vistas, the the companies making the money will want to keep those vistas pretty.
#10 Oct 21 2010 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Elinda wrote:
LeWoVoc wrote:
For one thing, I would love to go to space. I don't know how I feel about this whole space tourism, though. We always have to make a mark anywhere there's sand, don't we?
Tourism would leave less of a mark than mining or some other production industry.


Not only that, but it might help keep those sorts of things from happening. If people will pay enough money to see pretty space vistas, the the companies making the money will want to keep those vistas pretty.


Only if keeping them pretty is more profitable than messing them up and making money in "other" ways.
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Jimpadan wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Elinda wrote:
LeWoVoc wrote:
For one thing, I would love to go to space. I don't know how I feel about this whole space tourism, though. We always have to make a mark anywhere there's sand, don't we?
Tourism would leave less of a mark than mining or some other production industry.


Not only that, but it might help keep those sorts of things from happening. If people will pay enough money to see pretty space vistas, the the companies making the money will want to keep those vistas pretty.


Only if keeping them pretty is more profitable than messing them up and making money in "other" ways.
Which it won't be.
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#12 Oct 21 2010 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good
Lots of He-3 on the moon.
#13 Oct 21 2010 at 2:08 PM Rating: Good
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Jimpadan wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Elinda wrote:
LeWoVoc wrote:
For one thing, I would love to go to space. I don't know how I feel about this whole space tourism, though. We always have to make a mark anywhere there's sand, don't we?
Tourism would leave less of a mark than mining or some other production industry.


Not only that, but it might help keep those sorts of things from happening. If people will pay enough money to see pretty space vistas, the the companies making the money will want to keep those vistas pretty.


Only if keeping them pretty is more profitable than messing them up and making money in "other" ways.
I think shipping from the moon might be a bit expensive
#14 Oct 21 2010 at 5:35 PM Rating: Good
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Actually shipping from the moon can be rather cheep if you just can put it a container and use a catapult to drop it into orbit or a sea. At least that what they did in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by Heinlein.

Then if the Loonies decide to gain their independence they just throw rocks at Earth.
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#15 Oct 21 2010 at 7:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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I would love dearly to get into space. I'm not sure I'd trust a burt Rutan ride. The guy is a genius, and has some stunning aircraft, I'll give him that, but he cuts wayyyyyyy down on his structural integrity margins in some of his designs. For example, The Long EZ. I'm pretty sure John Denver would agree with me on that point. That being said, the guy has the right idea. A Single stage to orbit device is possible given current technology, a single stage to orbit device that can laaunch and more importantly recover a meaningful levle of payload isn't. Even venturestar's fuel capacity was going to limit its payload without some sort of SSRB attachment .A Two stage to orbit cargo shuttle is what we really need at the moment until we can get a space elevator built or a powerful enough maglev facility.

Heavy lift unpiloted rockets are critical, need to be developed, and are as important as a shuttle replacement, but a large, mobile, stable platform with a manipulator arm is a required facet of any effective space presence policy, and a ******* capsuledoes NOT meet that requirement under any circumstances.

Also, mega rateups for airplane picture!
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#16 Oct 21 2010 at 9:03 PM Rating: Good
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Sweetums wrote:
I think shipping from the moon might be a bit expensive
The space elevator.
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#17 Oct 21 2010 at 9:07 PM Rating: Good
Yeah, getting sh*t to Earth is theoretically quite easy. The moon's gravity well is very weak.

Edited, Oct 22nd 2010 3:08am by Kavekk
#18 Oct 22 2010 at 6:30 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
Sweetums wrote:
I think shipping from the moon might be a bit expensive
The space elevator.
Only $400 per pound!
#19 Oct 22 2010 at 10:32 AM Rating: Good
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Apparently, at least according to some scientists, commercial space travel will contribute measurably to climate change.

So, this is quite the pickle. It's possible that our lack of stewardship could cause our planet to become inhospitable to human life well before the half dozen or so billion years we had currently counted on til the Sun dwarfs out on us. So, we could continue our search of the cosmos for another suitable home for us **** sapiens. But that means lots of space travel, lots of R&D, etc etc.....these activities may contribute significantly to our doomsday demise. Hmmpf.

It's quite possible that 'greener' spaceships can be produced, but still if we enter space on a commercial basis...we will change it.

I don't think we can keep people down. "To infinity and beyond!!!"
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Elinda wrote:
Apparently, at least according to some scientists, commercial space travel will contribute measurably to climate change.

So, this is quite the pickle. It's possible that our lack of stewardship could cause our planet to become inhospitable to human life well before the half dozen or so billion years we had currently counted on til the Sun dwarfs out on us. So, we could continue our search of the cosmos for another suitable home for us **** sapiens. But that means lots of space travel, lots of R&D, etc etc.....these activities may contribute significantly to our doomsday demise. Hmmpf.

It's quite possible that 'greener' spaceships can be produced, but still if we enter space on a commercial basis...we will change it.

I don't think we can keep people down. "To infinity and beyond!!!"


Commercial space travel is really our best bet for stepping up our presence in space now. Personally, I think the potential benefits outweigh the risks.

I'm pleased with the strides that companies like Virgin Galactic are making. And really, I don't think 200k is an unreasonable price right now. Virgin has been structuring itself with the expectation that costs will lower, that this will become commonplace and accessible for an increasing percentage of the population.
#21 Oct 22 2010 at 5:12 PM Rating: Decent
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I dunno, will we still have that technology after the apocalypse in 2012?
#22 Oct 22 2010 at 7:20 PM Rating: Decent
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I dunno, will we still have that technology after the apocalypse in 2012?

Well, it depends on whether or not that's when our alien progenitors return. If so, then we won't really need our primitive technologies anymore. If not...well then we won't need any of our technologies anymore anyways.

Edited, Oct 22nd 2010 9:21pm by Debalic
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#23 Oct 22 2010 at 10:59 PM Rating: Good
If I'm going to fly, I'll head south, to Nassau, not just further up.
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