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#1 Oct 15 2010 at 9:17 AM Rating: Sub-Default
So either the 1rst lady knows the law and just doesn't think it applies to her or she's just plain stupid.

This is what you get when you allow affirmative action to take over in place of common sense.

I guess we now know why Obama refuses to release his own transcripts.


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A top Ilinois State Board of Elections official tells the DRUDGE REPORT that Mrs. Obama -- a Harvard-educated lawyer -- may have simply been ignorant of the law and thus violated it unintentionally.

"You kind of have to drop the standard for the first lady, right?" the official explained late Thursday. "I mean, she's pretty well liked and probably doesn't know what she's doing."


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#2 Oct 15 2010 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent
Oh yay, another idiot post by an idiot poster with an out of context quote from an article not linked.
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Who the **** is Debo?
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varusword75 wrote:
angie,

Do you think cursing makes you look smarter? I think I hear your class bell ringing from here, better get back to class.


Oh and Debo was a typo...thanks for paying attention, well sort of anyway.



I think you are the one that needs to get back to class if you can't tell the difference between a ZAM title and a posting name.
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#9 Oct 15 2010 at 9:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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#10 Oct 15 2010 at 9:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm fairly certain that they don't teach Illinois state election codes at Harvard.

For those who don't feel like trying to follow Varus's vague claims, Mrs. Obama was at a polling location in Chicago for early voting. She supposedly told someone she met with outside the place that it was important to vote to keep her husband's agenda moving. This could potentially be a violation of state law since you are prohibited from campaigning or electioneering within 100' of the polling place (the actual machines, if the building was 200' long you could be in the building and still legally campaign).

Of course, the code also leaves enforcement to the election judges and, having served as an election judge and gone through the training on two different occasions, I can tell you that the penalty for campaigning within 100' is to be asked to please step outside the 100' area. Refusal to move along could potentially result in a Class A misdemeanor.
10 ILCS 5/29‑11 wrote:
Failure to comply with order of election authority. Any person who knowingly fails or refuses to comply with any lawful order of an election authority issued by the election authority in the performance of the duties of the election authority, shall be guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.

You could also get hit with a Class A misdemeanor charge if they could prove you were knowingly and intentionally violating the elections law but that'd require a burden of evidence that'd be lacking in most cases of electioneering.

There's obviously stiffer penalties for other election style crimes such as ballot stuffing or voter intimidation with are both Class 4 felonies but none of that applies here.

Edited, Oct 15th 2010 10:46am by Jophiel
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#11 Oct 15 2010 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
she met with outside the place that it was important to vote to keep her husband's agenda moving. This could potentially be a violation of state law since you are prohibited from campaigning or electioneering within 100' of the polling place (the actual machines, if the building was 200' long you could be in the building and still legally campaign).
How do we even know that's campaigning? Michelle's pet name for Obama's male-part could be his 'agenda'.
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#12REDACTED, Posted: Oct 15 2010 at 12:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#13REDACTED, Posted: Oct 15 2010 at 12:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Pretty much ingorance of the law is no excuse. And someone of that stature and power should know.
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varusword75 wrote:
Jophed,

Sorry if you're husband has run for congress and a presidency you know that you're not supposed to campaign in voting centers. Either that or you're retarded. And she wasn't outside the place she had just left the voting booth and was still in the complex. A clear violation of state election laws.

Are you really saying you don't think she knew she couldn't do that?

And this isn't the first time the Obama's have been caught in something like this. Remember Obama refusing to prosecute the black panthers who were intimidating voters. This behaviour is habitual.



Edited, Oct 15th 2010 2:38pm by varusword75
You're an absolute imbecile if you think voter intimidation was only pro-Obama... or in general pro-Dem.
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#16 Oct 15 2010 at 12:52 PM Rating: Good
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lilwoc,

Here we go. Yes, I get that you don't have any proof that the GOP does the same thing but since they're also politicians they must right?

Any links to back up your broad sweeping assertion?
Here
Here
Here
Here (has examples of both parties)
Here

Of course none of my links are worth looking at because they're all lying.
#17 Oct 15 2010 at 12:53 PM Rating: Good
Wait, what does this have to do with Affirmative Action?
#18 Oct 15 2010 at 12:55 PM Rating: Good
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So what Varus?

Are you suggesting that this event should influence how people vote in future elections?

Or, do you want Michelle made an example of and charged for this Class C misdemeanor (a legal battle she'd likely win)?

...or is this just one more of your stinky turds you though you'd share with the Asylum?

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I think it's pretty clear that i'm suggesting either Mrs. Obama didn't know she was breaking the law or simply didn't care. One of the two; both telling about what kind of person she is.

Do you believe you can tell a lot about a person by how they treat their dog?
Dogs have nothing to do with this.

What does it say about a person that inadvertently breaks a minor law?
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lilwoc,

Huffington post and acorn...really? LMAO!!!! You're such a f*cking idiot it's freakding hilarious.
And what reliable sources were you speaking from? Fox News? Don't deny the reality simply because you disagree with it. Voter intimidation went both ways. I know this from news stories, but I also saw it with my own two eyes in good ol' Knoxville.
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varusword75 wrote:
And she wasn't outside the place she had just left the voting booth and was still in the complex. A clear violation of state election laws.

Being in or out of a building is largely irrelevant aside form schools & churches which can voluntarily declare the entire building a no campaigning zone (but this was in a state government building, I believe). Mrs Obama was outside of the voting room. It's also unclear that what she said would really be constituted "campaigning" although since it'll never be pursued, that'll be left to the usual suspects to say "Of course it was!"
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Are you really saying you don't think she knew she couldn't do that?

I think she was talking to an enthusiastic Obama supporter who asked to have his photo taken with her and didn't stop to think that some people might get their knickers in a twist over whether what she said was "campaigning" or not.
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Remember Obama refusing to prosecute the black panthers who were intimidating voters.

You mean Bush not going after the Black Panthers? Sure, I remember that.
DoJ hearing on Black Panther Party Litigation wrote:
After reviewing the matter, the Civil Rights Division determined that the facts did not constitute a prosecutable violation of the criminal statutes. The Department did, however, file a civil action on January 7th, 2009, seeking injunctive and declaratory relief under 11(b) against four defendants.

I'm sure you're trying hard to change the subject since your OP obviously doesn't have legs.
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Elinda wrote:
Or, do you want Michelle made an example of and charged for this Class C misdemeanor (a legal battle she'd likely win)?

There's nothing to charge her with since she didn't refuse to comply with an election judge's request to leave.

Just to be safe though, I think Obama should totally pardon her!
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#25 Oct 15 2010 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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Just to be safe though, I think Obama should totally pardon her!


Oh, I'm sure he will if ya knowwhutImean! [:nudge, nudge:]
#26 Oct 15 2010 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
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Pardon me, Michelle, but my "Agenda" needs to keep moving... Or should that be 'Pardon you'?
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