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#1 Oct 08 2010 at 9:08 AM Rating: Sub-Default
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McDonald’s Corp., the world’s largest restaurant chain, asked federal health-care regulators to waive part of a new law that may force the company to seek an alternative insurance plan for some workers, an official said.

McDonald’s doesn’t plan to drop health-care coverage for employees, said Danya Proud, a spokeswoman for the Oak Brook, Illinois-based company, in an interview yesterday. She declined to provide a memo sent to U.S. Health and Human Services in which McDonald’s requested the waiver, saying the correspondence is proprietary. The company doesn’t know how many employees could be affected if a change is made, Proud said.

The law is intended to provide health insurance coverage to 32 million uninsured people by 2019, reduce Medicare spending by about $455 billion over the next decade and create new programs to change the way medical care is paid for. It also implements new consumer protections and overhauls insurance company business practices.

“We’re not going to walk away from health-care insurance completely, but we’re going to have to look for alternatives if we can’t get the resolution we’re seeking from Health and Human Services,” Proud said.

McDonald’s told federal regulators that it may drop health insurance for almost 30,000 hourly restaurant workers unless a requirement in the law is waived, the Wall Street Journal reported yesterday, citing a company letter to the U.S. Health and Human Services. The story isn’t correct, said Jessica Santillo, a spokeswoman for the department in Washington.



Some companies are going to be able to get waivers and some won't.







#2 Oct 08 2010 at 9:15 AM Rating: Good
I love how you left out the actual issue. That the "mini-med" plans have extremely low annual caps, they don't cover catastrophic injuries, and less than 80% of the premium paid goes to actual benefits.
#3 Oct 08 2010 at 9:16 AM Rating: Good
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What? Corporations going around government regulation? Now I've seen EVERYTHING.
#4 Oct 08 2010 at 9:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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McDonald’s doesn’t plan to drop health-care coverage for employees

McDonald's doesn't know what "rationing" is, I guess.
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#5 Oct 08 2010 at 9:26 AM Rating: Good
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I don't think 'McDonalds' and 'Rationing' fit together... anywhere.
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#6 Oct 08 2010 at 9:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't think 'McDonalds' and 'Rationing' fit together... anywhere.


I don't know about that, they skimped a bit on my last order of fries...
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#7REDACTED, Posted: Oct 08 2010 at 9:30 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The fact is Obama lied. That the govn will have the ability to determine which companies qualifiy for waivers from obamacare is just the beginning.
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That the govn will have the ability to determine which companies qualifiy for waivers

Who else would be making that decision. Anyway, your quoted bit says that McDonald's asked for a waiver, not that Dept. HHS was handing them out.
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#9 Oct 08 2010 at 9:46 AM Rating: Good
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The fact is Obama lied. That the govn will have the ability to determine which companies qualifiy for waivers from obamacare is just the beginning.

Like the title accurately says healthcare rationing has begun.


The fact is, you don't know what you're talking about. These waivers are to help some businesses out until the healthcare reform bill kicks fully into effect. That doesn't mean they'll be waived from participating indefinetely.
#10 Oct 08 2010 at 9:56 AM Rating: Excellent
Tens of thousands of Americans die per year due to lack of insurance or underinsurance (or, frankly, because their insurance company simply will not pay for treatments they cover).

Anyone who believes health care was not "rationed" before now in the US is living in a fantasy world.

The difference between, say the US and UK system is that in the UK system, the people making the decisions are accountable to the people. In the US system, they are accountable to accountants and shareholders who have a vested financial incentive to kill you when you get too sick and take as much of your money while you are alive as they can. In this light, they are remarkably good at what they do since in the US we pay 2-3 times as much per person per year for healthcare and, even for those with insurance, have outcomes comparable to the UK.
#11REDACTED, Posted: Oct 08 2010 at 11:15 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tulip,
#12 Oct 08 2010 at 11:18 AM Rating: Excellent
varusword75 wrote:
Like the title accurately says healthcare rationing has begun.

 
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http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/05/news/companies/mini_meds_insurance_mcdonalds.fortune/index.htm

McD's is ******** over workers and they know it, they got a 1 year waiver to get their **** together. Their employees are probably better off getting coverage elsewhere.
#13REDACTED, Posted: Oct 08 2010 at 11:18 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) yossi,
#14REDACTED, Posted: Oct 08 2010 at 11:21 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) sh*tz,
#15 Oct 08 2010 at 11:29 AM Rating: Good
varusword75 wrote:
princess if companies are seeking to avoid obamacare shouldn't that tell you something about it?


Yes, sugartits, it does. It tells me that this legislation is good for the people, but not for big corporations that like to give their employees the shaft.
#16 Oct 08 2010 at 11:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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McD's is watching their bottom line; businesses do this sort of thing.

The question you should be asking is why? (and try and stay away from the liberal "corporations bad" mantra).





There's nothing wrong with watching the bottom line. But the government's job is to look out for the people, not McDonald's bottom line.
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if companies are seeking to avoid obamacare shouldn't that tell you something about it?
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McD's is watching their bottom line

Exactly. McDonald's would rather keep their money than spend it on employee benefits. Shocker.
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#19 Oct 08 2010 at 12:10 PM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
princess if companies are seeking to avoid obamacare shouldn't that tell you something about it?


Yes, sugartits, it does. It tells me that this legislation is good for the people, but not for big corporations that like to give their employees the shaft.
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McDonalds would rather keep their money and spend it on, wait for it, MORE EMPLOYEES so they can make more money.
McDonald's would "rather" not pay their employees anything (ie. slavery/indentured servitude) and reap in higher profits from not spending more money on employees, or in this case, charge them for services they're not getting under the illusion that they are taking care of them. That's way we have employee protection laws in the first place.
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varusword75 wrote:
McDonalds would rather keep their money and spend it on, wait for it, MORE EMPLOYEES

Well, you're half right.
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#21 Oct 08 2010 at 12:47 PM Rating: Good
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McDonalds would rather keep their money and spend it on, wait for it, MORE EMPLOYEES

Well, you're half right.
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#22 Oct 08 2010 at 12:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I wonder if McDonald's is one of the many companies taking their piles of hoarded cash and buying back their own stock to boost share prices. There are lots of companies with plenty of money available to hire new employees but they don't.

Maybe they figured out how to work fewer employees harder or maybe they just don't see expanding as a way to make more money but the facts are clear - companies have enough money to hire but are not hiring. Of course it's all Obama's fault.

We should adopt a corporate tax rate of 0% and a capital gains tax rate of 0% and somehow, magically, big corporations and small entrepreneurs will take all that new-found money and hire more workers while the government will realize that all those services it provides weren't really necessary and the deficit will magically go away as well.

I want some of whatever these conservatives are smoking
#23 Oct 08 2010 at 1:25 PM Rating: Good
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I want some of whatever these conservatives are smoking
I don't know, they say that ignorance is bliss, but from Var it just looks like it makes you crazy and constantly paranoid about everything. Smiley: tinfoilhat
#24 Oct 08 2010 at 1:29 PM Rating: Decent
varusword75 wrote:
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Exactly. McDonald's would rather keep their money than spend it on employee benefits. Shocker


Omg I think you may be onto something. McDonalds would rather keep their money and spend it on, wait for it, MORE EMPLOYEES so they can make more money.
Having worked in fast food, I can definitively say that you're an idiot on this front.

They'd rather keep their money, not hire more employees, and pocket the difference. The only way they'd hire more employees is if diluting the employees' hours below a certain threshold keeps them from being eligible for something that would cost the company more money.
#25REDACTED, Posted: Oct 08 2010 at 1:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Mdenham,
#26REDACTED, Posted: Oct 08 2010 at 1:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) naatdog,
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