Rutgers Teen Commits Suicide after being filmed kissing another man by his roommates web cam.
Sadly, I'm still surprised stuff like this goes on. When will people grow up? I can understand some immature kid in like middle or high school, that's usually to be expected, but in college? In college, the popularity contest goes away. No one on campus cares who you are or what you did in high school. There is no "cool kid" group anymore. Now I understand the two people that did it are freshman, which means they certainly haven't developed the maturity they need to succeed in life, or at school for that matter. As people go through college I think they eventually grow up and stray away from the stuff they did when they were younger. Partying becomes more of just a social gathering with some close friends and not beer bongs and keg stands.
I kind of feel they should be charged with a bit more than invasion of privacy, at least be kicked out of the university. I'm sure Rutgers holds itself to higher standards than that. It seems like a really nice school. I know that probably won't and can't happen, after seeing all the stuff involved with the little girl who killed herself after her friends mom played a cruel prank on her. But if this continues to happen then I definitely feel something should be done about it.
Thoughts?
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#3
Sep 30 2010 at 1:31 PM
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
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No one on campus cares who you are or what you did in high school. There is no "cool kid" group anymore.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
College was almost worse than high school about popularity, given sororities and fraternities and who you know or who your family was.
#4
Sep 30 2010 at 1:35 PM
Your article seems to get it wrong. From what I've heard, the first time his roommate turned on a webcam and saw him making out. That's when he made the Twitter post. The next day, Clementi said he needed the room again that night. His roommate said sure, got together with the other student who was arrested, set up a camera, and advertised the "show" online. Live-streamed the "sexual activity" (no specifics have been mentioned), and gossip spread like wildfire. Then three days later the kid took a dive.
TL;DR your article mentions only making out, but it seems a second session was taped with more than just some kissing.
No one really knows for sure that this is why he killed himself, or if his roommate did it because he found out Clementi was gay (his comments seem disdainful toward guys making out, at least), but most people seem to think so.
TL;DR your article mentions only making out, but it seems a second session was taped with more than just some kissing.
No one really knows for sure that this is why he killed himself, or if his roommate did it because he found out Clementi was gay (his comments seem disdainful toward guys making out, at least), but most people seem to think so.
#5
Sep 30 2010 at 1:38 PM
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
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No one on campus cares who you are or what you did in high school. There is no "cool kid" group anymore.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
College was almost worse than high school about popularity, given sororities and fraternities and who you know or who your family was.
You guys must have gone to a different kind of college than UD. Maybe at smaller colleges it's still cliquey? At mine, you could find a group for anything. Greek scene wasn't important (only like 10% of the pop were in Greek life). No one cared about families. Yes, you'd make groups of friends, but they were divided more by major, clubs, or interests. It was super inclusive for me.
I'm sure everyone has different stories and experiences, of course.
#6
Sep 30 2010 at 1:42 PM
LockeColeMA wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
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No one on campus cares who you are or what you did in high school. There is no "cool kid" group anymore.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
College was almost worse than high school about popularity, given sororities and fraternities and who you know or who your family was.
You guys must have gone to a different kind of college than UD. Maybe at smaller colleges it's still cliquey? At mine, you could find a group for anything. Greek scene wasn't important (only like 10% of the pop were in Greek life). No one cared about families. Yes, you'd make groups of friends, but they were divided more by major, clubs, or interests. It was super inclusive for me.
I'm sure everyone has different stories and experiences, of course.
It didn't help that I went to college in a dry county, so if you wanted to go out at all, you had to go to a frat party, so it helped to know someone Greek.
#7
Sep 30 2010 at 1:44 PM
LockeColeMA wrote:
Your article seems to get it wrong. From what I've heard, the first time his roommate turned on a webcam and saw him making out. That's when he made the Twitter post. The next day, Clementi said he needed the room again that night. His roommate said sure, got together with the other student who was arrested, set up a camera, and advertised the "show" online. Live-streamed the "sexual activity" (no specifics have been mentioned), and gossip spread like wildfire. Then three days later the kid took a dive.
TL;DR your article mentions only making out, but it seems a second session was taped with more than just some kissing.
No one really knows for sure that this is why he killed himself, or if his roommate did it because he found out Clementi was gay (his comments seem disdainful toward guys making out, at least), but most people seem to think so.
TL;DR your article mentions only making out, but it seems a second session was taped with more than just some kissing.
No one really knows for sure that this is why he killed himself, or if his roommate did it because he found out Clementi was gay (his comments seem disdainful toward guys making out, at least), but most people seem to think so.
I agree with that. When I heard it on the news I heard it was related to sex and not just kissing. I'll see if I can find a better informed article
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Did you even go to college?
Yes I did, I attended Kansas State University and graduated recently with a B.S.M.E. Maybe the fact that I was never involved in a frats or any of that stuff that I never dealt with that. In high school your limited to the size of your school. Therefore your around all the jocks/preps/whatever cliques you had. In college you don't really have to deal with that. There were probably people that walked down campus thinking that were complete badasses for whatever they have done, but a big majority of people never really give a **** who they are. Frats and sororities are in their own little world when it comes to popularity.
#8
Sep 30 2010 at 1:45 PM
LockeColeMA wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Quote:
No one on campus cares who you are or what you did in high school. There is no "cool kid" group anymore.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
College was almost worse than high school about popularity, given sororities and fraternities and who you know or who your family was.
You guys must have gone to a different kind of college than UD. Maybe at smaller colleges it's still cliquey? At mine, you could find a group for anything. Greek scene wasn't important (only like 10% of the pop were in Greek life). No one cared about families. Yes, you'd make groups of friends, but they were divided more by major, clubs, or interests. It was super inclusive for me.
I'm sure everyone has different stories and experiences, of course.
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#9
Sep 30 2010 at 1:46 PM
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
It didn't help that I went to college in a dry county, so if you wanted to go out at all, you had to go to a frat party, so it helped to know someone Greek.
Oh, you poor lost soul!
To be fair I didn't really start drinking until I was 21 and dorms were always dry, but still... ouch!
#10
Sep 30 2010 at 1:48 PM
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Just because you weren't in the groups, doesn't mean they weren't there. College students have the ability to get away from those popularity contests, but it doesn't mean all students do get away.
Oh no, I'm sure there were still groups. It's just that, unlike high school, you didn't have to be classified in them or even see them. Not sure why people would stay in them if they're miserable and could get away from it!
#11
Sep 30 2010 at 1:49 PM
LockeColeMA wrote:
Not sure why people would stay in them if they're miserable and could get away from it!
Edited, Sep 30th 2010 4:49pm by Uglysasquatch
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#12
Sep 30 2010 at 1:49 PM
LockeColeMA wrote:
and advertised the "show" online
You know who watched those shows online? Homos.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#13
Sep 30 2010 at 1:50 PM
Here are a couple other sources. Maybe they are a bit more reliable with more of the story
New York Post
ABCLocal
Edited, Sep 30th 2010 2:50pm by Hyolith
New York Post
ABCLocal
Edited, Sep 30th 2010 2:50pm by Hyolith
#14
Sep 30 2010 at 2:07 PM
LockeColeMA wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
It didn't help that I went to college in a dry county, so if you wanted to go out at all, you had to go to a frat party, so it helped to know someone Greek.
Oh, you poor lost soul!
To be fair I didn't really start drinking until I was 21 and dorms were always dry, but still... ouch!
I didn't drink in college, so it wasn't an issue for me. But if you weren't in a fraternity or sorority, you weren't worth knowing it seemed. I only made two or three good friends in college, and then only because we lived together in the dorm.
#15
Sep 30 2010 at 2:21 PM
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
It didn't help that I went to college in a dry county, so if you wanted to go out at all, you had to go to a frat party, so it helped to know someone Greek.
Oh, you poor lost soul!
To be fair I didn't really start drinking until I was 21 and dorms were always dry, but still... ouch!
I didn't drink in college, so it wasn't an issue for me. But if you weren't in a fraternity or sorority, you weren't worth knowing it seemed. I only made two or three good friends in college, and then only because we lived together in the dorm.
Was it a small school then? I think there are probably 25,000 or more students now enrolled at KSU. At my high school I want to say we had close to 1000. I had a graduating class of about 450. That's a huge jump in numbers. I started going to parties my freshman year but I was also fortunate enough to have some friends I went to high school with there too so we all bonded together as well as made a lot of new friends.
I lived in the dorms for 2 years and never really had any problems with people. I became even better friends with some people I went to high school with who were seen as "cool or preppy," but in college there wasn't really too much of that. They were Greek also.
So maybe it just comes down to where you are from and what your experience was like in high school and college.
#16
Sep 30 2010 at 2:21 PM
The kid was 18, his roomie and friend probably around the same age. They're still kids. They're still emo. They're still vying for popularity and still not fully empathetic to others.
What the room-mate and his friend did was mean, cruel, but hardly more than a school-boy prank. They've been charged with invasion of privacy. Wonder how severe of a crime that is. The boy that killed himself obviously had troubles that ran deeper than an insensitive roomie and exposure of his sexuality.
He's also now a statistic. I dunno, maybe it's an obvious correlation, but fairly recent studies are supporting that homosexuality is a huge risk factor for suicide in teens.
What the room-mate and his friend did was mean, cruel, but hardly more than a school-boy prank. They've been charged with invasion of privacy. Wonder how severe of a crime that is. The boy that killed himself obviously had troubles that ran deeper than an insensitive roomie and exposure of his sexuality.
He's also now a statistic. I dunno, maybe it's an obvious correlation, but fairly recent studies are supporting that homosexuality is a huge risk factor for suicide in teens.
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#17
Sep 30 2010 at 2:27 PM
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Elinda wrote:
The kid was 18, his roomie and friend probably around the same age. They're still kids. They're still emo. They're still vying for popularity and still not fully empathetic to others.
What the room-mate and his friend did was mean, cruel, but hardly more than a school-boy prank. They've been charged with invasion of privacy. Wonder how severe of a crime that is. The boy that killed himself obviously had troubles that ran deeper than an insensitive roomie and exposure of his sexuality.
He's also now a statistic. I dunno, maybe it's an obvious correlation, but fairly recent studies are supporting that homosexuality is a huge risk factor for suicide in teens.
What the room-mate and his friend did was mean, cruel, but hardly more than a school-boy prank. They've been charged with invasion of privacy. Wonder how severe of a crime that is. The boy that killed himself obviously had troubles that ran deeper than an insensitive roomie and exposure of his sexuality.
He's also now a statistic. I dunno, maybe it's an obvious correlation, but fairly recent studies are supporting that homosexuality is a huge risk factor for suicide in teens.
Sadly, as long as there are people, including their own families, who will ostricize and shun people for coming out, this will likely continue. This makes me equal parts
and 
Hopefully, one day, such reactions will be a thing of the past and there won't be anymore tragic stories like Tyler Clementi's.
#18
Sep 30 2010 at 2:29 PM
Most of the articles from what I read/heard said that if convicted they could receive a maximum sentence of 5 years in jail. Most likely they will be found guilty but probably receive some fines and a few years probation. It always seems to work that way.
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Posted: Sep 30 2010 at 2:41 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This kind of behavior is known as "hazing". The same thing happens in the military. People play pranks on you, invade your privacy, and test your limits. I'm not suggesting for a moment that this behavior is a good thing, only it's to be expected and that this invasion wouldn't be an issue if Tyler was having sex with a girl.
#20
Sep 30 2010 at 2:58 PM
ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
This kind of behavior is known as "hazing". The same thing happens in the military. People play pranks on you, invade your privacy, and test your limits. I'm not suggesting for a moment that this behavior is a good thing, only it's to be expected and that this invasion wouldn't be an issue if Tyler was having sex with a girl.
If Tyler was ******** some hot girl, nobody would give a damn including him that he was video taped. But because he was in "the closest", people want to fry the 2 students who distributed the footage. Now before anyone says "Well he wasn't ready to come forward", that doesn't change anything. What if his roommate told people around the school he was having sex with a guy? The same problem would exist, would it not? We all know how rumors get around without requiring a webcam. So it's kinda pointless to sit here and berate these kids for streaming Tyler's gay sex romps. The same result would of happened regardless of the camera. Tyler is "outed" around the school, Tyler becomes depressed and embarrassed, Tyler then jumps off a bridge because he is a coward. This would of happened with or without a camera. If someone is that insecure with their sexuality, anything can set them off.
I'm always saddened by a loss of life, but this wasn't their fault. Tyler was obviously emotionally unstable and he should of sought professional help. We as a society shouldn't blame a harmless prank on these kids because a guy was emotionally unstable. They didn't know, Tyler was a "quiet kid" as reported by people who knew him.
If Tyler was ******** some hot girl, nobody would give a damn including him that he was video taped. But because he was in "the closest", people want to fry the 2 students who distributed the footage. Now before anyone says "Well he wasn't ready to come forward", that doesn't change anything. What if his roommate told people around the school he was having sex with a guy? The same problem would exist, would it not? We all know how rumors get around without requiring a webcam. So it's kinda pointless to sit here and berate these kids for streaming Tyler's gay sex romps. The same result would of happened regardless of the camera. Tyler is "outed" around the school, Tyler becomes depressed and embarrassed, Tyler then jumps off a bridge because he is a coward. This would of happened with or without a camera. If someone is that insecure with their sexuality, anything can set them off.
I'm always saddened by a loss of life, but this wasn't their fault. Tyler was obviously emotionally unstable and he should of sought professional help. We as a society shouldn't blame a harmless prank on these kids because a guy was emotionally unstable. They didn't know, Tyler was a "quiet kid" as reported by people who knew him.
Wow, you're ****** up.
#21
Sep 30 2010 at 3:00 PM
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
Tyler was obviously emotionally unstable and he should of sought professional help. We as a society shouldn't blame a harmless prank on these kids because a guy was emotionally unstable. They didn't know, Tyler was a "quiet kid" as reported by people who knew him.
You fail, you bigoted prick.
Edited, Sep 30th 2010 5:00pm by ShadorVIII
#22
Sep 30 2010 at 3:04 PM
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This kind of behavior is known as "hazing". The same thing happens in the military. People play pranks on you, invade your privacy, and test your limits. I'm not suggesting for a moment that this behavior is a good thing, only it's to be expected and that this invasion wouldn't be an issue if Tyler was having sex with a girl.
If Tyler was ******** some hot girl, nobody would give a damn including him that he was video taped. But because he was in "the closest", people want to fry the 2 students who distributed the footage. Now before anyone says "Well he wasn't ready to come forward", that doesn't change anything. What if his roommate told people around the school he was having sex with a guy? The same problem would exist, would it not? We all know how rumors get around without requiring a webcam. So it's kinda pointless to sit here and berate these kids for streaming Tyler's gay sex romps. The same result would of happened regardless of the camera. Tyler is "outed" around the school, Tyler becomes depressed and embarrassed, Tyler then jumps off a bridge because he is a coward. This would of happened with or without a camera. If someone is that insecure with their sexuality, anything can set them off.
I'm always saddened by a loss of life, but this wasn't their fault. Tyler was obviously emotionally unstable and he should of sought professional help. We as a society shouldn't blame a harmless prank on these kids because a guy was emotionally unstable. They didn't know, Tyler was a "quiet kid" as reported by people who knew him.
If Tyler was ******** some hot girl, nobody would give a damn including him that he was video taped. But because he was in "the closest", people want to fry the 2 students who distributed the footage. Now before anyone says "Well he wasn't ready to come forward", that doesn't change anything. What if his roommate told people around the school he was having sex with a guy? The same problem would exist, would it not? We all know how rumors get around without requiring a webcam. So it's kinda pointless to sit here and berate these kids for streaming Tyler's gay sex romps. The same result would of happened regardless of the camera. Tyler is "outed" around the school, Tyler becomes depressed and embarrassed, Tyler then jumps off a bridge because he is a coward. This would of happened with or without a camera. If someone is that insecure with their sexuality, anything can set them off.
I'm always saddened by a loss of life, but this wasn't their fault. Tyler was obviously emotionally unstable and he should of sought professional help. We as a society shouldn't blame a harmless prank on these kids because a guy was emotionally unstable. They didn't know, Tyler was a "quiet kid" as reported by people who knew him.
You really don't know that it wouldn't have happened had Tyler been sleeping with a girl. He could have been a really quiet, soft spoken kid who didn't really want people to know what was going on in his love life. Yes, there are guys out there who are like, "wooo, I totally banged this hott chick" and there are guys who prefer not to talk about their physical relationship.
And there is a major difference in say, taking a guys clothes or towel away from him while taking a shower so he has to walk down the hall back to his room naked where some people might see him and video tapping it and posting it on the internet for millions of viewers to see. Let alone video taping a guy having sex with another guy and posting it on the internet for millions of viewers to see. I'm pretty sure it would be very detrimental to anyone that would have to go through that no matter what the actions taped were.
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We as a society shouldn't blame a harmless prank on these kids because a guy was emotionally unstable.
Though had you read the article. It is against the law, at least in New Jersey to video tape someone without their consent, let alone posting it on the internet. Therefore there is every right to blame the two students, which totally negates them being "harmless."
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Edited, Sep 30th 2010 4:05pm by Hyolith
#23
Sep 30 2010 at 3:06 PM
Hyolith wrote:
You really don't know that it wouldn't have happened had Tyler been sleeping with a girl. He could have been a really quiet, soft spoken kid who didn't really want people to know what was going on in his love life. Yes, there are guys out there who are like, "wooo, I totally banged this hott chick" and there are guys who prefer not to talk about their physical relationship.
Regardless, that's still a gross invasion of privacy. And, even if he were banging a "hot chick," it's idiotic to say that "no one" would've cared. Maybe the chick would've cared.
Lord, I hate people sometimes.
#24
Sep 30 2010 at 3:11 PM
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Hyolith wrote:
You really don't know that it wouldn't have happened had Tyler been sleeping with a girl. He could have been a really quiet, soft spoken kid who didn't really want people to know what was going on in his love life. Yes, there are guys out there who are like, "wooo, I totally banged this hott chick" and there are guys who prefer not to talk about their physical relationship.
Regardless, that's still a gross invasion of privacy. And, even if he were banging a "hot chick," it's idiotic to say that "no one" would've cared. Maybe the chick would've cared.
Lord, I hate people sometimes.
I agree, I don't know where this guy comes off saying what he did. Some guys might brag about who they have has sex with but that still doesn't give other people the right to video tape it and post it on the internet. I'm sure a lot of girls are hurt when guys mention what they did with them.
#25
Sep 30 2010 at 3:12 PM
Funny, there's a story playing on ABC news as I'm reading this thread.
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#26REDACTED,
Posted: Sep 30 2010 at 3:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) How am I bigoted because I said this guy was unstable? Emotionally unstable people tend to commit suicide, that's a proven fact. My one grandfather I never got to meet took his life over a stressful situation. The article I read said that he was a "quiet kid" that kept to himself. So explain to me how anyone would of known the consequences of this "harmless" prank? All I'm saying here is that their actions were NOT meant to be taken this serious. I've have roommates video tape me before because my gf was too loud and kept them up. I didn't say "Oh let me jump off a bridge now". If you don't understand my post, ask me for more details before you shoot off your mouth. All I'm saying here is that these kids shouldn't be blamed for murder as Tyler was already unstable.
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