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#1 Sep 29 2010 at 2:12 PM Rating: Excellent
...the U of M student body president. Smiley: facepalm

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Here's a curious test case for any public servant pondering a sideline as an online political activist. An assistant state attorney general for Michigan has created a blog devoted to discrediting the University of Michigan's student body president, who is openly gay.

Assistant Attorney General Andrew Shirvell has called student Chris Armstrong a "pervert" and "Satan's representative" on his blog, and admits to protesting outside the 21-year-old's home. He scours Armstrong's Facebook page and Armstrong's friends' Facebook pages and posts defaced photos of Armstrong on his site.

"You might wonder how is this man still employed in the attorney general's office," CNN's Anderson Cooper observed in a Tuesday-night segment on Shirvell.

Michigan Attorney General Mike Cox, Shirvell's boss, provided a written statement to CNN calling Shirvell's opinions "his alone," not those of the AG's office. "But his immaturity and lack of judgment outside the office are clear," Cox's statement added. Cox declined to comment further.

State laws protect employees' rights to express political opinions in off-hours.

"This is not some national figure, this is a guy who's running a student council," Cooper said.

Shirvell argued that Armstrong is a "political figure" and that as a concerned alum of the university he has a right to express his displeasure with Armstrong's support for gender-neutral campus housing. Armstrong supports such housing for transgender students who haven't had sex-reassignment surgery, CNN says.

Cooper suggested that Shirvell seemed obsessed with Armstrong.

Shirvell replied: "Chris Armstrong is a radical homosexual activist who got elected, partly funded by the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, to promote a very deeply radical agenda. ... His biggest issue is gender-neutral housing."

Denis Dison, spokesman for the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, which helps gay political candidates mount campaigns, tells the Upshot that Armstrong was an intern at their offices two years ago and went through candidate training at that time, but has received no funds from them. They do not endorse student government politicians.

He continued: "I've protested outside of his house, yes. ... I'm a Christian citizen exercising my First Amendment rights."

Armstrong -- who told CNN he has hired a lawyer but provided no details -- had not publicly addressed the attacks since they began nearly six months ago, but he told the student assembly Tuesday that he would continue to lead the student body.

"I will not back down. I will not flinch. I will not falter. I will not succumb to any unwarranted attacks. What I will do is I will carry on with the utmost pride and vindication," he said, according to the student paper.

Shirvell showed up at the assembly's first meeting to argue that Armstrong should resign his position. According to the student paper, he graduated in 2002 and once called members of the Log Cabin Republicans, a group that supports gay rights, "sick freaks" in emails to a member of the group.

The university's alumni association says it has no comment on the matter.


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#2 Sep 29 2010 at 2:17 PM Rating: Good
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Kinda sounds like a stalker, and some of his actions border on illegal (harassment, mostly).

But hey, you can't fault him for being a "proper Christian" or fighting for what he believes in.
#3 Sep 29 2010 at 2:26 PM Rating: Default
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:

Smiley: looney


This.

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Anderson Cooper wrote:

You might wonder how is this man still employed in the attorney general's office.


Indeed, I do. Smiley: mad
#4REDACTED, Posted: Sep 29 2010 at 2:28 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yeah I saw that hit piece by anderson cooper 360, or whatever his name is on CNN.
#5REDACTED, Posted: Sep 29 2010 at 2:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) princess shador,
#6 Sep 29 2010 at 2:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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princess shador,

Because you can't deny someone their 1rst amendment rights because you don't like the political message they're sending.


You liberals sure do love free speech....as long as no one says anything you don't like; then you sue them, attempt to get them fired, and murder their dog.


Suing them and attempting to get them fired are also protected actions.

Murdering their dog not so much.

Also: Wouldn't Anderson Cooper have the right to his opinions under free speech...? Aren't you the one suggesting that someone sue someone else for speaking their opinion?

Edited, Sep 29th 2010 3:35pm by Belkira
#7 Sep 29 2010 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
The assisant AG is not harassing anyone. Like any elected official in a public organization he is open to the exact same treatment all politicians are.


I dunno. I would consider picketing outside my house to be pretty damn harrassing.

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This radical **** is attempting to institutionalize homosexuality at his alma-mater and he wants to make that public knowledge.


This perfectly reasonable human being is trying to get his alma-matter to be more accomodating to a segment of their populaton.

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I saw the assistant AG be accused of being a bigot, inciting hate, and all kinds of other things from cooper. Does that give him the right to sue cnn and cooper?


No. If the statement is true, it cannot be considered libel or slander.
#8REDACTED, Posted: Sep 29 2010 at 2:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Princess,
#9 Sep 29 2010 at 2:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Princess,

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This perfectly reasonable human being is trying to get his alma-matter to be more accomodating to a segment of their populaton.


This perfectly radical que*r is trying to force his twisted deviant lifestyle ideology onto the college.


Hey, don't talk about the assistant AG like that!
#10 Sep 29 2010 at 2:42 PM Rating: Good
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Princess,

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This perfectly reasonable human being is trying to get his alma-matter to be more accomodating to a segment of their populaton.


This perfectly radical que*r is trying to force his twisted deviant lifestyle ideology onto the college.


Really? Show me where he's forcing straight men to ******** and straight women to muff dive at gunpoint.

He's trying to get them to accomodate people who are already gay/lesbian/bi/trans.
#11 Sep 29 2010 at 3:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
Because you can't deny someone their 1rst amendment rights because you don't like the political message they're sending.

The obvious solution to to have the Asst. AG stay in the "Free Speech Zone" located three miles away from the student's home.
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#12 Sep 29 2010 at 4:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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If gays want to turn us all gay, then who will get pregnant in order to have abortions??

God varus, THINK.
#13 Sep 29 2010 at 4:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't think I'm fully understanding this story.

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His biggest issue is gender-neutral housing.


I gather that gender-neutral means that males and females can co-habitate? How exactly is that a homosexual agenda? Wouldn't a homosexual agenda mandate that only same-genders can live together? Heck, it seems like a heterosexual agenda to me.

I realize that it also includes transgenders, but what did they do with them before? I doubt they were sequestered away from the dorms.

Smiley: confused

Edited, Sep 29th 2010 6:34pm by Eske
#14 Sep 29 2010 at 4:23 PM Rating: Good
Honestly, I think as long as students have a choice in their housing, the university shouldn't care.

As long as the uni offers: 1. Same gender dorms for those that don't want to catch cooties 2. mixed gender dorms with different genders on different floors and 3. mixed gender dorms that allow different genders to be suitemates - and as long as the students have the right to request what kind of dorm they want - it shouldn't matter to anyone except the students living there.
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I don't fault a school for not wanting co-ed dorm rooms. That's a recipe for headaches for the university.
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#16gbaji, Posted: Sep 29 2010 at 5:55 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm just speculating here, but I'd assume that "gender-neutral housing" means that he wants the school to require that all dorms be "gender-neutral", meaning that they can't take gender into account at all when assigning or managing dorms. This would effectively eliminate choices 1 and 2 from your list for all students living on campus.
#17 Sep 29 2010 at 6:27 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
catwho wrote:
Honestly, I think as long as students have a choice in their housing, the university shouldn't care.

As long as the uni offers: 1. Same gender dorms for those that don't want to catch cooties 2. mixed gender dorms with different genders on different floors and 3. mixed gender dorms that allow different genders to be suitemates - and as long as the students have the right to request what kind of dorm they want - it shouldn't matter to anyone except the students living there.


I'm just speculating here, but I'd assume that "gender-neutral housing" means that he wants the school to require that all dorms be "gender-neutral", meaning that they can't take gender into account at all when assigning or managing dorms. This would effectively eliminate choices 1 and 2 from your list for all students living on campus.

It may seem a bit wacky, but there are some LBGT activists who consider any reference to gender at all to be discriminatory and should be eliminated entirely. Assuming this is the case with this particular person, then he is going a bit beyond just respecting the rights of gay and transgender students.


I'm just speculating here, but I think your assumption is off by a large margin.
#18 Sep 29 2010 at 7:37 PM Rating: Good
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Princess,

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This perfectly reasonable human being is trying to get his alma-matter to be more accomodating to a segment of their populaton.


This perfectly radical que*r is trying to force his twisted deviant lifestyle ideology onto the college.
Yep, just as the blacks pushed their twisted deviant race ideology onto America in the 60's. Despite the fact that you don't want to admit it, it IS the same thing.
#19 Sep 29 2010 at 8:15 PM Rating: Decent
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varusword75 wrote:
I didn't see you people raise this issue when that crazy lady camped outside W's ranch for like 4yrs.

You mean that dumb **** who lost a son in Dubya's War? I can't think of anyone who thought she was a shining beacon of morality.
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Eske, Star Breaker wrote:
gbaji wrote:
catwho wrote:
Honestly, I think as long as students have a choice in their housing, the university shouldn't care.

As long as the uni offers: 1. Same gender dorms for those that don't want to catch cooties 2. mixed gender dorms with different genders on different floors and 3. mixed gender dorms that allow different genders to be suitemates - and as long as the students have the right to request what kind of dorm they want - it shouldn't matter to anyone except the students living there.


I'm just speculating here, but I'd assume that "gender-neutral housing" means that he wants the school to require that all dorms be "gender-neutral", meaning that they can't take gender into account at all when assigning or managing dorms. This would effectively eliminate choices 1 and 2 from your list for all students living on campus.

It may seem a bit wacky, but there are some LBGT activists who consider any reference to gender at all to be discriminatory and should be eliminated entirely. Assuming this is the case with this particular person, then he is going a bit beyond just respecting the rights of gay and transgender students.


I'm just speculating here, but I think your assumption is off by a large margin.


Really? Well, let's see.

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Peter Logan, a spokesman for the U-M Housing Information Office, said the push for gender-neutral housing began long before 2010. U-M's gender-neutral housing is only available to transgender students, and even then, only on request.

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The university assigns transgender students based on their birth gender. "A transgender student must wait until surgery is complete before seeking a room reassignment," the university housing page explains.

That, Armstrong said, is the problem: Students shouldn't be required to disclose their sexuality or sexual identity to the university. Better to allow students to choose for themselves what living arrangement works best.


The current "gender-neutral" policy simply provides private rooms for those who request it, with either private baths, or unisex baths nearby. Armstrong says that this is a problem though since it requires that those students request it. It's about not wanting to identify yourself or your sex or sexual identity. But how can you do that? The only way to prevent such identification is if you prevent the campus from asking. But the only way to do that and provide "gender-neutral" housing is to make all housing gender-neutral. That way no one has to request it, and no one can infer anything from the fact that they requested it.


Unless you can explain to me what his objective is here and how he can achieve it without doing precisely what I said he was going to try to do? Can you? The only way to make the gay/transgender folks not stand out when they request special housing needs is to eliminate gender based assignments for all dorms. Which means that those who want to have divided housing (options 1 and 2 from earlier) can't do so.
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#21 Sep 29 2010 at 9:37 PM Rating: Good
gbaji wrote:
The current "gender-neutral" policy simply provides private rooms for those who request it, with either private baths, or unisex baths nearby. Armstrong says that this is a problem though since it requires that those students request it. It's about not wanting to identify yourself or your sex or sexual identity. But how can you do that? The only way to prevent such identification is if you prevent the campus from asking. But the only way to do that and provide "gender-neutral" housing is to make all housing gender-neutral. That way no one has to request it, and no one can infer anything from the fact that they requested it.


Unless you can explain to me what his objective is here and how he can achieve it without doing precisely what I said he was going to try to do? Can you? The only way to make the gay/transgender folks not stand out when they request special housing needs is to eliminate gender based assignments for all dorms. Which means that those who want to have divided housing (options 1 and 2 from earlier) can't do so.


I don't think you read the same thing I did. That's just wild speculation.
#22 Sep 29 2010 at 10:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Really? Well, let's see.

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Peter Logan, a spokesman for the U-M Housing Information Office, said the push for gender-neutral housing began long before 2010. U-M's gender-neutral housing is only available to transgender students, and even then, only on request.

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The university assigns transgender students based on their birth gender. "A transgender student must wait until surgery is complete before seeking a room reassignment," the university housing page explains.

That, Armstrong said, is the problem: Students shouldn't be required to disclose their sexuality or sexual identity to the university. Better to allow students to choose for themselves what living arrangement works best.


The current "gender-neutral" policy simply provides private rooms for those who request it, with either private baths, or unisex baths nearby. Armstrong says that this is a problem though since it requires that those students request it. It's about not wanting to identify yourself or your sex or sexual identity. But how can you do that? The only way to prevent such identification is if you prevent the campus from asking. But the only way to do that and provide "gender-neutral" housing is to make all housing gender-neutral. That way no one has to request it, and no one can infer anything from the fact that they requested it.


Unless you can explain to me what his objective is here and how he can achieve it without doing precisely what I said he was going to try to do? Can you? The only way to make the gay/transgender folks not stand out when they request special housing needs is to eliminate gender based assignments for all dorms. Which means that those who want to have divided housing (options 1 and 2 from earlier) can't do so.


What a false dilemma. Nothing that you quoted implies that it would be necessary to have the entire campus be gender-neutral. Selecting a gender-neutral dorm does not imply one's sexual preference. And the quote I'm reading says "shouldn't be required disclose their sexuality or sexual identity to the university." Not "shouldn't be required to let other people make assumptions about their sexuality or sexual identity."

Just shut up.

Edited, Sep 30th 2010 12:13am by Eske
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gbaji wrote:

Unless you can explain to me what his objective is here and how he can achieve it without doing precisely what I said he was going to try to do? Can you? The only way to make the gay/transgender folks not stand out when they request special housing needs is to eliminate gender based assignments for all dorms. Which means that those who want to have divided housing (options 1 and 2 from earlier) can't do so.


There a simple solution that would allow a transgender student able to be house in the gender they identify as instead of their birth gender., without having to let the school know their birth gender when they apply for housing.

You just have to set some dorms as trans gender friendly and then allow all students a choice between the different types of dorms, as many schools do now with male, female or both allowed (though normally on separate floors). Then all a person has to do is request which type of dorm they want to be in and hope they get their first choice of dorm. I'm not sure if things have changed more recently, but last I knew only times that opposite genders are normally allow to share a dorm room is if they are a married couple. It's just takes a doctor to agree to give the student documents, that state that the student has a medical reason to need access to a private bathroom, for a medical reason if the person is pre-op.

Though if they get a whole suite to themselves, like my nephew did due to being born with rare birth defect in their G.I. track, they may find all the other kids in their dorm floor, hanging out in their rooms.

ILL. Insitute of Technology had 2 dorms for married couples that were design by Miles van der Rohe. As students my sister and her husband would have never been able to afford to live in an apartment he design. Specially as they had to pay off their son medical bills for years, on top of their student loans and another son born 3 months early 7 years later, while my sister went back to college, to get her masters.

Unlike older transgender persons who start the transition process well into adulthood, college students have a far better chance at passing for their non birth gender pre-op, specially if they have access to hormones early enough to prevent their bodies from gaining bone structure that often will give older transgender person away, when you know what to look for.

When I compare picture of my ex to his younger sister, the only thing that gives my ex away is her wider shoulders. The same shoulders that ruin my favorite dresses, though we were nearly the same size and wore each other pants for years.

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#24 Sep 29 2010 at 10:40 PM Rating: Good
gbaji wrote:
Unless you can explain to me what his objective is here and how he can achieve it without doing precisely what I said he was going to try to do? Can you? The only way to make the gay/transgender folks not stand out when they request special housing needs is to eliminate gender based assignments for all dorms. Which means that those who want to have divided housing (options 1 and 2 from earlier) can't do so.
Because there's absolutely no way whatsoever that they could set aside one building of dorms (or any portion less than, say, half) for gender-neutral housing, and allow people into it based on a lottery from the people who specifically request gender-neutral housing, right?

Not everyone is openly unreasonable.
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I don't understand how gender neutral housing, whatever it means, supports any sort of gay agenda.

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#26 Sep 30 2010 at 6:38 AM Rating: Good
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I don't understand how gender neutral housing, whatever it means, supports any sort of gay agenda.


It's proposed by a gay man! It's OBVIOUS!
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