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Wait, does that make liberals irish, or the irish liberals?

No, silly man; that's the Jews, during Passover.



You are totaly giving ignorant Klansmen a bad rep by getting this wrong, btw.

The entire Middle East? Of course not.

Hey. Eliminate the warring people and the land they're warring over and, presto! no more warring.

I'd suggest something biological so we could save the natural resources, but it's so much harder to contain, so nukes it be.

To be fair though, Israel is surrounded by nations full of people who are also under a similar umbrella. You do make a relevant comparison though. One of the concerns that the Israelis have is that the Palestinians (specifically Muslim Palestinians) have become so anti-Semite that if they allow their population to grow too much they fear that their country will become a muslim country with Judaism eliminated entirely. And while that may come off as bigotry, one needs only look at nearly every single nation surrounding Israel to see this.

They are right to oppose the so-called "right of return", which is one of the major stopping points for any major state-forming agreements. If the full right were recognized, then millions of Muslims could flood into Israel and effectively take over the country and make it into a Muslim state. So what appears at first glance to be religious intolerance on the part of the Israeli Jews is really just a response to religious intolerance on the part of Palestinian Muslims.

We see the same kind of dynamic here in the US when dealing with border issues with Mexico. It's easy to paint the mostly white US citizens who opposed the open border philosophy as bigots who don't want brown skinned (specifically Mexican) people filling their streets. However, when you look at the goals of some of these groups (particularly Mecha) who are pushing for amnesty and open immigration and anything else that'll let more of "their people" into the country, you almost can't blame them. When you have an organization who literally seek to flood the southwestern US with as many Mexicans as possible so they can break away from the US, form into "Azatlan", and then either remain a free state or join Mexico, it's more than unfair to simply paint opposition as bigotry.

If you don't think this is real, you've never talked to Latinos who've been bullied by those guys. I have a friend who was president of a local Latino student union at one of the campuses here. In just a couple of years they were infiltrated and then taken over by Mecha operatives who turned it from a group of people planning fun culturally relevant events into a politically focused body with an incredibly bigoted purpose. This has been playing out at campuses across the south west for a couple decades now. And it's more or less ignored by a mainstream media so focused on finding racism and bigotry among white people, and so unwilling to even acknowledge that it can exist in people who aren't white, or aren't a majority.


We need to stop pretending that by being tolerant of others' intolerance we're somehow creating a better world. We're not. We're just empowering the next wave of oppressive regimes and bigoted leaders and violence and hatred. The same thing we're doing wrong in the Middle East is being done wrong in Paris and London and Los Angeles as well. The violence just hasn't yet reached such a strong head. Yet.

Edited, Sep 29th 2010 8:13pm by gbaji

But he does tell them to hack off their penises! "For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." (Matthew 19:12 ASV)



On an interesting side note, Varus's overwhelming ignorance is evidence to support the study mentioned in this article.

I have become more hopeful. Probability is very low, but I think it is growing. For now.

What they would do should they gain a majority is irrelevant. The whole point of Israel is that it's a Jewish state. The only way to keep that is to keep a Jewish majority in the country.

It's not about what Palestinians would do should they become the majority. Even if they tuned it into a perfectly liberal, democratic, tolerant country, it still wouldn't be acceptable. There are already plenty of countries like this around the world. It's about Jewish people being the majority. Which is fine, I don't especially have a problem with that, but that's the reality.



You don't really get it. The return of the refugees is symbolic. They want it acknowledged. They want recognition of Nakba. It's about History and narrative. The Palestinians, both those in the West Bank and those in the caps of Lebanon and Jordan, know full well the return will never happen. That's not the problem. It hasn't been for 30 years.



They've never, ever, offered anything remotely close that.

Your best friend is a Palestinian?! Does the RNC know this?!

I think homeland Security should be alerted.

Hehe /pat.