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#27 Sep 29 2010 at 2:29 PM Rating: Good
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The courts can always question. The president or the pentagon can always claim the info is confidential. I'm not sure what your point is here.




This.

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"The idea that courts should have no role whatsoever in determining the criteria by which the executive branch can kill its own citizens is unacceptable in a democracy," the American Civil Liberties Union and Center for Constitutional Rights said.
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The Obama administration has cited the state-secrets argument in at least three cases since taking office - in defense of Bush-era warrantless wiretapping, surveillance of an Islamic charity, and the torture and rendition of CIA prisoners.
Same source.

My point is that the US administration is carrying on business as usual, and then some, and no-one really seems to give a toss anymore because everyone is arguing about the economy or slagging Palin off.

It seems to me that because Obama is in charge now, there is an assumption that he will 'do the right thing' amongst the Dems, (and the Pubes are so busy hating his colour) and whilst there is that perception amongst the bickering electorate, then they will continue along the same path of idiotic and destructive foreign policy that has been travelled along previously, because they feel that they can get away with it.

Seems to be working a treat too!
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#28 Sep 29 2010 at 7:38 PM Rating: Decent
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More words please
#29 Sep 29 2010 at 8:16 PM Rating: Decent
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We need better Black Ops. Someone get Brian Cox and Chris Cooper on the phone!
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
#30 Sep 29 2010 at 8:26 PM Rating: Good
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Wow, really? REALLY???


This country has been offing people "extrajudicialy" since...oh...the Spanish-American War.

To think otherwise is a massive glossing-over of basic history.

Every country in the world offs people when it is deemed to be in their national interest. To think otherwise makes you:

A) Retarded

or

B) Really retarded



Not to say that this is the purported "American Way" vis~a~vis respecting folks rights; it's just practical (in a national security/oops we need to cover our asses kind of way).




garbaji wrote:
When I'm not on US soil, I'm subject to the jurisdiction of wherever else I am, right?


Unless you hump an minor and return to the USA. Jezuz, doesn't anyone watch the news anymore?
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#31 Sep 29 2010 at 8:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Friar Bijou wrote:
garbaji wrote:
When I'm not on US soil, I'm subject to the jurisdiction of wherever else I am, right?


Unless you hump an minor and return to the USA. Jezuz, doesn't anyone watch the news anymore?


See if you can figure out why I bolded that section? Think... really... hard... ;)
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#32 Sep 29 2010 at 10:31 PM Rating: Good
paulsol wrote:
MDenham wrote:


1) Yes;
2) No, he should just order the execution of the people doing the questioning;
Commentary on intervening paragraph: So?
3) Not really.


There a some Central Asian countries that you would really enjoy living in. In fact, the US has military bases in some of them. You should so go and check them out. You'd feel right at home!
Better solution: Give me a time machine and let me go back about 800 years.
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