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DAMMIT! This thread makes me want to watch The Prince of Egypt again.
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paulsol wrote:
Ps. Nothing personal, but I truly hate your avatar. It makes me want to punch small girls. Which, I have to say, isn't normal for me.
Well, I actually like yours, I've always wondered where it's from.
But... why do you hate poor Steph?
She represents everyting I wish I could be: sweet, athletic, outgoing, happy, female, etc. Or is it just that you want to punch me and you associate me with my avvy? That I could understand.
Exodus states explicitly that God separated the sea for Moses when Moses pointed his staff and held out his hand. While a strong wind could have separated the waters naturally by coincidence (for sake of argument), saying that this could have been what happened seems to contradict the entire point of the story -- that God miraculously saved his chosen people through an act of divine intervention.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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Edited, Sep 27th 2010 6:56pm by ShadorVIII
Edited, Sep 27th 2010 6:56pm by ShadorVIII
That's fine. Just at least have the honesty to admit it's not scientific.
King James bible wrote:
And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry, and the waters were divided.
All you've done is come to us with another turtle (all the way down) and expected us to take it as a serious argument.
In other news, the Flood only covered a couple hundred square miles.
Yeah, it'd probably be best to post something like "the bible is right" on religious boards if you don't want someone to have an opposing viewpoint.
Yet another example of one section of the Christian community making the rest of us look like maroons.
See, Shador, the Exodus story - while based on a grain of truth - is an allegory. The Isrealites, a captive people, managed to escape bondage in Egypt and head the hell home. The specifics of how this was accomplished are not neccesary to a faith in the power of God to influence the events that led to their freedom.
Logic and faith are not on the same part of the awareness spectrum, and for a very good reason.
Here, I'll let Douglas Adams explain:
tl;dr: If I can prove a God, I don't need a God
See, Shador, the Exodus story - while based on a grain of truth - is an allegory. The Isrealites, a captive people, managed to escape bondage in Egypt and head the hell home. The specifics of how this was accomplished are not neccesary to a faith in the power of God to influence the events that led to their freedom.
Logic and faith are not on the same part of the awareness spectrum, and for a very good reason.
Here, I'll let Douglas Adams explain:
THGTTG wrote:
The Babel fish is small, yellow, leech-like, and is a universal translator which simultaneously translates from one spoken language to another. It takes the brainwaves of the other body and what they are thinking then transmits the thoughts to the speech centers of the hosts brain, the speech heard by the ear decodes the brainwave matrix. When inserted into the ear, its nutrition processes convert sound waves into brain waves, neatly crossing the language divide between any species.
Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation.[1] Arthur Dent commented only 'Eurgh!' when first inserting the fish into his ear. It enabled him to understand Vogon Poetry - not necessarily a good thing.
The book points out that the Babel fish could not possibly have developed naturally, and therefore proves the existence of God. However, it is argued this proves the nonexistence of god as proof denies faith, and without faith, god is nothing. "'My, that was easy', says man, and goes on to prove that black is white, and gets killed on the next zebra crossing.
Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation.[1] Arthur Dent commented only 'Eurgh!' when first inserting the fish into his ear. It enabled him to understand Vogon Poetry - not necessarily a good thing.
The book points out that the Babel fish could not possibly have developed naturally, and therefore proves the existence of God. However, it is argued this proves the nonexistence of god as proof denies faith, and without faith, god is nothing. "'My, that was easy', says man, and goes on to prove that black is white, and gets killed on the next zebra crossing.
tl;dr: If I can prove a God, I don't need a God
remorajunbao wrote:
One day I'm going to fly to Canada and open the curtains in your office.
Friar Bijou wrote:
tl;dr: If I can prove a God, I don't need a God
MDenham wrote:
Friar Bijou wrote:
tl;dr: If I can prove a God, I don't need a God
remorajunbao wrote:
One day I'm going to fly to Canada and open the curtains in your office.
Friar Bijou wrote:
MDenham wrote:
Friar Bijou wrote:
tl;dr: If I can prove a God, I don't need a God
The One and Only ShadorVIII wrote:
paulsol wrote:
Ps. Nothing personal, but I truly hate your avatar. It makes me want to punch small girls. Which, I have to say, isn't normal for me.
Well, I actually like yours, I've always wondered where it's from.
But... why do you hate poor Steph?
She represents everyting I wish I could be: sweet, athletic, outgoing, happy, female, etc. Or is it just that you want to punch me and you associate me with my avvy? That I could understand.
Your avatar makes me want to punch small girls. In the butt. With my *****.
Not really small girls. Nineteen year old girls. From Irvington, New York.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
The One and Only ShadorVIII wrote:
Fine, whatever. You win. God is dead, etc. DIAF.
Learn2applyscience, n00b. And then go weep for my immortal soul, what else is there to do on a Sunday?
Sounds like a good Mythbusters episode.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Elinda wrote:
Sounds like a good Mythbusters episode.
See now if there was any evidence for Egypt having ever had such a large Hebrew slave population, and ever suffering such a large social catastrophe, and the Sinai desert ever being able to support that many people, then we might have something to talk about.
Allegory wrote:
See now if there was any evidence for Egypt having ever had such a large Hebrew slave population, and ever suffering such a large social catastrophe, and the Sinai desert ever being able to support that many people, then we might have something to talk about.
Allegory wrote:
See now if there was any evidence for Egypt having ever had such a large Hebrew slave population, and ever suffering such a large social catastrophe, and the Sinai desert ever being able to support that many people, then we might have something to talk about.
Professor shintasama wrote:
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most biblical scholars and archeologists insist that the Israelites' crossing did not take place at the Red Sea at all. The original Hebrew (yam suph), they contend, should be translated as Sea of Reeds, not Red Sea. So where's the Sea of Reeds? It depends whom you ask. In the somewhat specious History Channel documentary Exodus Decoded, Simcha Jacobovici (aka the Naked Archaeologist) places the Israelites' crossing in the Bitter Lakes, a reedy marshland north of the Gulf of Suez that was subsumed during the construction of the Suez Canal.
I wouldn't trust the History Channel to tell me how old my milk is these days. They're more worried about being sensational and grabbing viewers than any sense of accuracy.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Ra is obviously the true god, and he was testing the Egyptian's faith with plagues and abnormal weather.
Jophiel wrote:
Professor shintasama wrote:
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most biblical scholars and archeologists insist that the Israelites' crossing did not take place at the Red Sea at all. The original Hebrew (yam suph), they contend, should be translated as Sea of Reeds, not Red Sea. So where's the Sea of Reeds? It depends whom you ask. In the somewhat specious History Channel documentary Exodus Decoded, Simcha Jacobovici (aka the Naked Archaeologist) places the Israelites' crossing in the Bitter Lakes, a reedy marshland north of the Gulf of Suez that was subsumed during the construction of the Suez Canal.
I wouldn't trust the History Channel to tell me how old my milk is these days. They're more worried about being sensational and grabbing viewers than any sense of accuracy.
Allegory wrote:
See now if there was any evidence for Egypt having ever had such a large Hebrew slave population, and ever suffering such a large social catastrophe, and the Sinai desert ever being able to support that many people, then we might have something to talk about.
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Even if the Bible account of the Red Sea story was even slightly correct, wich it isn't, which is obvious if you actually read the original scientists studies as opposed to the BBC report of the report, then how do you explain talking snakes, virgin births and zombie ressurection?
Anomalous weather conditions also?
Anomalous weather conditions also?
Erich von Daniken was right. Aliens did it all.
Mary was artificially impregnated. Jesus wasn't half human half god, he was 100% Kryptonian.
I always figured it was a tsunami, pulling the water back and then pushing a wall of water onto the pursuing army.
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